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#: 258 S2/Artisoft
    10-Apr-91  10:33:39
Sb: Welcome!
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To:  75300,1377 (X)

                      Welcome to the Artisoft Forum

This message section is intended to provide technical support to users of the
Artisoft Lantastic Network Operating System and Artisoft's Voice and Sound
Products.

Occasionally representatives of Artisofts Sales Department and Management will
drop in to answer questions and announce new products.

The Library will include ALL of Artisofts official Bulletins,  Patches and
Product Information Sheets and Literature as well as Press Releases, and
Lantastic Specific Shareware, Public Domain Software and demo's of available
3rd Party Software.

Thank you;

Rick Roth [75300,1377]

#: 260 S2/Artisoft
    10-Apr-91  20:28:54
Sb: #Welcome
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth

Well, I guess my phone bill will be down now.  I didnt ask for it,  but as
soon as I saw the bullit, I said G to direct phone.  THANKS!

Ken /\/\

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#: 272 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  11:04:45
Sb: #260-#Welcome
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

You are welcome, in a recent dealer survey a forum on CI$ was the third most
requested enhancement.  So we are here, now if our use levels can get high
enough.

Rick Roth

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#: 288 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  20:36:54
Sb: #272-Welcome
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Put it in your ads and get the word out in Infoworld, PCWeak et al.   I
originally decided on Lantastic by reading reviews, and surveying CIS Lan Sig
and Ashton Tate's BBS (lots of controversy  on the later).  Now that I'm
hooked, I have a vested interest in your sucess, so good luck!

When you get a chance, you ought to get NOS.TXT and updates in the library.  I
also suggest you change the title to something like APROVED.TXT.  NOS just
means Net Operating System to me and when Browsing, titles are sooo important.

Ken


#: 261 S2/Artisoft
    10-Apr-91  20:29:09
Sb: #FCBS
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth

How many FCBS do you think it wise to have available on a 2 node net,  with
the workstation running Desqview.  I got it at 32,0 now.

Ken

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#: 270 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  11:04:29
Sb: #261-#FCBS
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

We reccommend at least 8,4  the last number is far more important than the
first.  I have seen many problems when the last parameter is 0.

Rick Roth

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#: 289 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  20:37:03
Sb: #270-FCBS
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I originally had 32,32.  Doesnt take up much RAM.  Anyway, I'm glad I asked so
I'll change to 8,4 and see what happens.  The way the errors occurred I had
surmised that COMP uses FCBS but didn't close one file before comparing
another.  I thought by making the last parameter 0,  I could force the
closure, but I guess I really dont understand whats happening.

Ken

#: 262 S2/Artisoft
    10-Apr-91  20:29:26
Sb: #XCOPY COMP FCBS CACHE
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth

As I said on your BBS, I was having some trouble with XCOPY accross the net.
I also had a problem with COMP.  Even though the files seemed fine on both a
Wkstn and Server drive COMP gave me errors.   Today, after reading your note
about ASTCACHE (it comes with AST computers) not being on the approved list I
took it off the Wkstn.   COMP still gave me errors on files I had previously
COPY'd and, I also got a 'Out of FCBS'  error when I ran it.  Thus, I
reajusted my FCBS to 32,0 from 32,32 (after reading the cryptic explanation in
the DOS manual).  I still had COMP errors but no more FCB problem.  Then I
COPY'd Wkstn>Srvr. COMP was OK.  Then I XCOPY'd Serv>Wkstn. COMP was again ok.
All this was out of Desqview, so the problem could have been either Desqview,
FCBS or ASTCACHE or a combo of the 3.

I still would like to get a cache going on the workstation since I do alot of
local work with it so I'm off to the approved list (hope its in the library
here) to see if Super PC Kwik is ok.  I'm guessing that Lancache is NOT the
thing to use on the Wkstn.  I do not want to cache the network drives, just
the local ones.

Ken


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#: 271 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  11:04:37
Sb: #262-#XCOPY COMP FCBS CACHE
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

Lancache works best on a server but you can use it on a workstation if you do
a lot of work on the local drives.  PCKWICK and Hyperdisk both are compatable
and work well, Hyperdisk is a shareware program available almost everywhere.

Rick Roth

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#: 287 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  20:36:39
Sb: #271-XCOPY COMP FCBS CACHE
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Well, I found I had PC Tools PC-Cache available and noted that NOS.TXT had it
as approved so I installed it today on the Wkstn and everything went fine.

I found I did about 56% of my work on Wkstn, so thats a fair amount.   With
the server non-dedicated I try to only use it for data access of files that
must be shared.

Ken

#: 286 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  20:21:05
Sb: Lost Directories
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

Last night, before I went home I logged out of the server, shut the server
down, rebooted, did NOT start the server up and ran Norton Speedisk V5.  When
I came in this morning I rebooted.   As part of my daily Autoexec I run Norton
IMAGE on C:(programs) and D:(data) and then NDD /quick on both as well.  NDD
gave me the following error messages on C:

The Directory \Lantasti.net\System.Net is invalid.  It may be a file,  not a
directory.  These are the files and subdirectories that are in it:  Config
Accounts Zcoontrol.

The same message was given for \Lantasti.Net\Spool.Net but the files in the
subdirectory were Qcontrol and O._sp (There may have been one other file that
I missed when copying the error msg this morning).

In both cases NDD asked if I wanted to correct it so its a valid Directory or
conver it to a File?  In both cases I chose Directory.    The net worked fine
all day, but I hope I did the right thing and would like to know what
happened.

Ken Malkin

#: 290 S2/Artisoft
    11-Apr-91  22:35:20
Sb: Foxpro and Lantastic
Fm: Tom Stearns 76467,3344
To: all

Thought I'd drop in here and run up your messaage count a bit.  I'm having a
problem on an AI/NOS system running Foxpro.  I get "File Access Denied" errors
from Fox. This error is supposed to indicate that the file is read-only, but
it is not. The folks at Fox thought there might be a Lantastic connection. Any
help?

Thanks, and glad to see you here.



#: 292 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  00:37:23
Sb: Lantastic on Arcnet?
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth Artisoft 75300,1377

Rick-

I'm a consultant who's installed a few 2-node Lantastic network for clients,
and love it for its simplicity and low cost.  So do my clients.

I've recently inherited an account running a Novell ELS-II network with a
server and five workstations, running on Arcnet with an assortment of
different NICs.  Also an assortment of problems.  I'd like to recommend they
trash the ELS and convert to Lantastic, which I feel would work well for their
work (mostly WordPerfect 5.1).

Before I raise the suggestion with them, though, I'm wondering if Lantastic
will run on their configuration, with Arcnet.  Can it?  Is there anything else
you can add that would be useful to know in this situation?

Thanx, Norman




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#: 298 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  10:45:38
Sb: #288-Welcome
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423

Ken

We used to have it as compat.txt but we now have 3 compatability lists. One
NOS.txt for Network Operating System, LANAI.txt for hardware compatability
with Lantastic/AI and AINOS.txt for hardware compatability with NOS/AI the
discontinued but still shipping version of the Adapter Independent version.

All three are available in blts.zip in this library.

Rick Roth

#: 297 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  10:45:28
Sb: #286-Lost Directories
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423

Ken

You did the right thing.  Norton Disk Doctor has a problem with hidden
directories which is what spool.net and system.net WERE.  Now of course they
are no longer hidden but that willnot effect the operation on the system.
These directories were hidden merely to keep people from accidently altering
or erasing files that contain network configutation, mail, printer que, etc.

Rick Roth

#: 299 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  10:45:53
Sb: #290-Foxpro and Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Tom Stearns 76467,3344

Tom

Thanks for the welcome. If you are getting this error when accessing a data
file as a I beleive from your description and the file truly is not read only,
then I imagine the problem lies in your share command.  Where are you loading
share on the server, and what are the command line parameters.  If you have
dos 4.01 on your server you will need to load share in your config.sys file
with the install command.  I would reccommend parameters of at least /l:250
/f:4096.  Many applications report strange errors or evidence strange
behaviors when you run out of available file locks.  Of course make sure that
there are enough file handles available on the seerver also.

Foxbase is compatable and we have not report of conflicts with foxbase and
LANtastic.

#: 300 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  10:46:04
Sb: #292-#Lantastic on Arcnet?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235 (X)

Norman

Lantastic/AI supports Thomas Conrad and SMC arcnet cards and their true
clones.  There are also reports that it will support several other arcnet
cards with a netbios from performance technology. I have just uploaded a file
arcnet.zip which contains a report contributed by one of our dealers Rick Curl
of Hatchery Systems detailing the results of his experiments with various
arcnet cards.  On the downside the MSR of Lantastic/AI is $99.00 per node as
opposed to the $99.00 per system for Lantastic/AE2 or Lantastic/2mbps.

Rick Roth

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#: 302 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  11:47:05
Sb: #300-Lantastic on Arcnet?
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick-

Ok, thanx for the info.  I'll download the file and see what he has to say.
Adding that cost, plus the thrown-out Novell software seems to make this a
pretty pricey proposition to float before the client.  Maybe I'll leave well
enough alone in this case.

Bye, Norman

#: 303 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  12:02:36
Sb: Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth Artisoft 75300,1377

Rick-

For my information, can you tell me the specs for buying bulk cable for the
10MBPS Lantastic ethernet cards as well as connector and crimping tool
information?  Are these materials generally available from sources other than
Artisoft, like computer super stores or other suppliers?

Thanx.

Bye, Norman

#: 304 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  12:32:04
Sb: Lantstic Z Modem
Fm: John Kavazanjian 70233,533
To:  75300,1377

I am trying to use Lantastic Z to access my home computer when I am on the
road with my portable.  I have everything set up, including a script on my
server (home machine) which sets ATS0=1. When I dial in, the server seems to
answer and then seems to lock up immediately.  I am using a Purefax Fax board
which also has a 2400 Baud modem on it (set on COM2) which has worked well in
every other application, and has even successfuly answered return calls from
call back modems.  Am I missing something?

#: 305 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  13:19:27
Sb: Software Interface
Fm: Marc Perkel (MarxMenu) 76505,1120
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

Is there some system call library that I can call to:

1) Tell if Lantastic is Running?

2) Tell what user number I am?

You you provide and software interfaces for developers?

#: 316 S2/Artisoft
    12-Apr-91  21:51:51
Sb: Toshiba 5200 Server Prob
Fm: Michael L. McGuire 76264,2121
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

I have a 5200 w/ 8MB.  Use QEMM 5.11 to change all memory to expanded. Load
all lantastic programs hi with loadhi. No error
messages on installation. When accessed by other network nodes
locks 5200 up with Hard disk light on. Takes a power off reboot
to go ahead. have 50 files etc. still problem. any suggestions as
to where to start to look for problem. Works as redir perfectly, only problem
is when used as server.

Mike McGuire





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#: 346 S2/Artisoft
    14-Apr-91  07:25:30
Sb: #297-Lost Directories
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I didn't know they were hidden since my old DOS Shell (1dirplus)  which I've
resisted changing from since I know it so well, was set to show hidden files
and dirs.  It highlights hidden files, but doesn't differentiate display
between hidden and non-hidden dirs.  Thanks.

I just had a thought tho-- how come when I ran NDD before Speedisk (as I had
done daily for many days since installing Lantastic, I never had the problem.
It MUST have been related to Speedisk, not NDD.

Ken

#: 333 S2/Artisoft
    13-Apr-91  17:16:02
Sb: #299-Foxpro and Lantastic
Fm: Tom Stearns 76467,3344
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thnaks Rick.  I'm loading SHARE in autoexec, but share is not in the same
directory as the COMSPEC'd Command.com, which was my understanding of the
config vs autoexec approach.  I still get the "Warning Share..." message. And
in autoexec I have a large number of /L: and /F:.



#: 334 S2/Artisoft
    13-Apr-91  17:31:48
Sb: #300-Lantastic on Arcnet?
Fm: Tom Stearns 76467,3344
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick; is the Tiara a 'true clone' of SMC? I know they use the same chipset.



#: 343 S2/Artisoft
    13-Apr-91  22:37:37
Sb: #303-Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Clyde Bennett 71655,1563
To: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235

As an Artisoft dealer, I would like to address your question.  Artisoft's
Ethernet adapter cards are totally compliant with the standards adopted by
IEEE for Ethernet.  If you wish to install "thin net", the cable is RG58A/U
coaxial cable.  Any electronics store should be able to supply you with
information on crimping tools, T connectors, etc.  Two nice features about
Artisoft Ethernet cards: (1) the maximum length for one run of Thinnet cable
is 185 meters (approx 600 ft.).  By changing a jumper on the card, you can
extend this to 900 ft.  Although this is not in compliance with IEEE
standards, it does save you the expense of a repeater if you only need to go
to 750 feet!; and (2) by changing one jumper on the card, the card will
emulate the NE2000 Ethernet card for a Novell network.  So you see, when you
buy Artisoft Ethernet, it's like getting the operating system for $100, and
you can always upgrade to NOVELL if the need ever arises!

#: 322 S2/Artisoft
    13-Apr-91  08:04:18
Sb: Lantastic & Macs
Fm: Arthur Geffen 72576,3352
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick What is the procedure and what hardware and software do I need to hook a
MAC into a PC based Lantastic Network.



#: 344 S2/Artisoft
    14-Apr-91  00:06:54
Sb: Welcome
Fm: Wolfgang John 76214,1327
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

I would like to welcome you here too, Rick.  Unfortunately for me it is not
cheaper here.  One hour on the phone to you from California is cheaper than 1
hr on CIS.

I hang around on PCMAGNET regularly and see quite a few messages on LANtastic.
So I left a note there that you are here now.  Maybe others, or you, can leave
notes on their favorite forum(s).

Wolfgang.

#: 350 S2/Artisoft
    14-Apr-91  14:05:34
Sb: Newcomer
Fm: Brian Smyth 71321,3406
To: All

To All,

My name is Brian Smyth and I am a newcomer to networking.  I just set up a 5
node net work with 2 servers/3 workstations.  Everything went smoothly and I
am very impressed with the resu,ts.  It went so smoothly that I installed the
network on Monday and Friday we were crunching to make two separate deadlines
and had plot files going to a serial plotter, a parallel plotter and
spreadsheets to a Laserjet printer.

We have some problems with printer/plotter speed most likely a result of
sending about 30 print/plot requests to the same server.  Is there a wa9 to
"tweek" the server startup settings in order to improve throughput?

I am also not clear on how to properly set up "shared resources", especially
when somene who is working on a "server" needs to access files that exist on
one of his physical drives that is also a shared resource for the network.  So
far I have assumed that the person using the server should redirect a logical
drive to the drive and directory listed as a shared resource just like
everyone else on the network.  My staff has a tough time understanding what I
am trying to do and I really can't give them a good answer!

I don't want to load up my first message with too many technical questions
though so I would like to just say "hello" for now.

Brian

#: 360 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  07:35:00
Sb: LAN Shutdown
Fm: Pat Attanasio 72401,371
To: Artisoft Techs 75300,1377

To Artisoft Tech Support...

First, Welcome to CIS!!  Personally, having LANtastic support here is great,
since I use CIS as first line support for a variety of vendors. You are
already in my AUTOSIG "AUTOMATIC" mode list.

Now for the help...

I am running LANtastic on a Dell 325D, 4MB mem, 190MB HD.  I am using the
Sytos backup software that Dell provides with their tape hardware. I have the
Sytos software configured to do a backup nightly at 9:00 (yes, there is a TSR
portion loaded after LANtastic).

In general, this works well, however I find that if certain application files
are in use (i.e.'s Multimate's MM.CTL), or if print queues exist, the Sytos
software will prematurely abort.

What I would like to do is shut down the server ala "Ctrl-Alt-Del, S" from a
batch file prior to starting the backup.  When the backup is complete, I will
reboot the PC, which will re-establish the net.  I am fluent in Pascal, and
could probably get something to work with Assembler (TASM), if I really had
to.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Pat




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#: 361 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  10:57:34
Sb: #360-#LAN Shutdown
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Pat Attanasio 72401,371

My solution to such problems, although somewhat inelegant and extremely
modular is to use a variety of programs. I use:
        1) AutoMenu - which allows me to automatically execute a menu
selection at a given time, if the computer is on the menu.
        2) A utility called REBOOT.COM which simply reboots the computer.
        3) Multiple CONFIG.SYSs & AUTOEXEC.BATs in subdirectories.

        At 9pm AutoMenu calls a batch file which copies the backup boot files
(CONFIG.SYS & AUTOEXEC.BAT) from their subdirectory to the root and REBOOTs.
The backup autoexec calls the backup batch file which backs up all files,
copies the network boot files to the root directory and REBOOTs.
        Once you get the hang of it, it works. It is solid. I use it myself
and at several client sites.
                -cjh

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#: 376 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:37:58
Sb: #361-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Curtis

This is a good solution I use something simliar, you must remember to flush
the cache if you are using a cache and make sure that everyone else in off to
avoid corupting any files that another user may have open. There are several
products that allow you to force either a warm or cold boot from a batch file,
the problem is getting the S command to gracefully shut any open files.

Rick Roth

#: 374 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:15:10
Sb: #360-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Pat Attanasio 72401,371

Pat

Currently there are no documented hooks to allow you to do this.  Several
third party vendors are currently trying.  Any chance of getting the other
workstations to shut down before they leave so there are no open files to
worry about.  You should then be able to tell sytos to ignore or bypass the
entire lantasti.net directory.

Rick Roth

#: 389 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  21:53:28
Sb: #360-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Craig Bohman 72310,3660
To: Pat Attanasio 72401,371

Pat-
     I too am using Sytos for backup.  I backup from a workstation.  I've had
no problems with busy files, however, I get an intermittant "Tape drive not
ready" error which aborts the backup.  This message is always the last entry
in the backup log file.  Is this the problem you are having also?  About 20%
of my backup finish properly.  The rest bomb out at various stages during the
backup.
                                       Craig




#: 369 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:14:18
Sb: #322-Lantastic & Macs
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Arthur Geffen 72576,3352

Arthur

We have Miramar Systems( 805-965-5161) has tested their product Mac Lan
Connect and report that it is compatable with Lantastic.  This product enables
a Lantastic workstation to become an APPLETALK server.  This means that all
resources on  the Lantastic Network will be available to the Macs on the
Appletalk network.  This products requires an Apple Local Talk in the pc as
well as the Lantastic adapter card.

Rick Roth




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#: 386 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  19:22:55
Sb: #298-Welcome
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

And you were worried about traffic!

Have fun...

Ken

#: 372 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:14:40
Sb: #346-Lost Directories
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

You are right, I tend to lump all those programs together under the Label of
Norton and avoid the individual programs.

Rick Roth

#: 370 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:14:25
Sb: #333-Foxpro and Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Tom Stearns 76467,3344 (X)

Tom

Just to play it safe I would load it in config.sys.  You should also change
the executables to read only with the DOS attrib command.

Rick Roth

#: 364 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:13:28
Sb: #334-#Lantastic on Arcnet?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Tom Stearns 76467,3344 (X)

Tom

We have not tested the tiara card, you will have to check with the
manufacturer on that.  The tiara card is listed as compatable using a
Performance Technology [phone] Netbios.

Rick Roth

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#: 394 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  00:37:17
Sb: #364-Lantastic on Arcnet?
Fm: Tom Stearns 76467,3344
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I'm currently using the PT Netbios, but would feel better going Artisoft if
possible.




#: 365 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:13:38
Sb: #303-#Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235 (X)

Norman

The coax cable for the 10mbps ethernet card is standard RG58AU or RG58CU
cable.  The connectors are standard BNC (Basic Naval Connectors).  Both are
available from a wide variety of third party vendors.  Beware of those vendors
who try to sell RG58AU 'communication grade' rathat than 'data grade' cable.
The 'communication grade' cable does not meet the IEEE802.3 specs.

Rick Roth

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#: 388 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  20:55:21
Sb: #365-Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick-

Thanks for your reply.  Especially the caveat about "communication grade" vs.
"data grade."

By the way, I'd always thought BNC stood for "bayonet nut coupler."
Communication trivia, I suppose.

Bye, Norman

#: 387 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  20:55:17
Sb: #343-Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Clyde Bennett 71655,1563

Clyde-

Thanks for your reply.  I'm already sold on Lantastic, and needed only this
informon to do the wiring I need.  But now that you mention it...

Does changing the jumper on the card to go for a 900 ft. segment length have
any down-side, like somewhat slower communication?  If there's no downside,
why not have it as the default?

Thanx.

Bye, Norman

#: 366 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:13:50
Sb: #304-#Lantstic Z Modem
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John Kavazanjian 70233,533 (X)

John

The most common cause of the problems you describe is that your modem is not
configured correctly.  The configuration for network traffic is different from
the configuration you normally use for communications.  The main setting to
check is the carrier detect the modem should send a CD when it connects and
drop it when disconnects, this should not be strapped on as it normally is for
terminal emulation.odem hardware flow control should be enabled CTS
enabled. The configuration information is given on Page 2 of chapter 1, and an
example in Appendex A page 42 of the LantasticZ users manual addendum.

Rick Roth

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#: 375 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:35:50
Sb: #366-Lantstic Z Modem
F: John Kavazanjian 70233,533
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks, rick. I will try.

#: 367 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:13:59
Sb: #305-Software Interface
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Marc Perkel (MarxMenu) 76505,1120

Marc

The LANtastic API Tech.doc is available in the file blts.zip in section 2 of
the library for this forum.  We also reccommend the book "C Programmers Guide
to NetBIOS" from Howard Sams.  You may also want to search the library on the
key word source  we have many programming examples available.  Tech.doc
provides a routine to dtermine if the network is active.

Rick Roth

#: 368 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:14:08
Sb: #316-Toshiba 5200 Server Prob
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Michael L. McGuire 76264,2121

Michael

The first place to check is the config.sys file are you loading files and
buffers high, if so do not.  Are you loading any other device drivers, tsr's
or disk caches?  If you have a disk cache make sure that there are no write
delays.  If you will upload your config.sys and autoexec.bat I will be able to
help a little bit more.  It would appear to be a software problem since you
state that you have no problems running as a server.

Rick Roth

#: 369 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:14:18
Sb: #322-Lantastic & Macs
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Arthur Geffen 72576,3352 (X)

Arthur

We have Miramar Systems( 805-965-5161) has tested their product Mac Lan
Connect and report that it is compatable with Lantastic.  This product enables
a Lantastic workstation to become an APPLETALK server.  This means that all
resources on  the Lantastic Network will be available to the Macs on the
Appletalk network.  This products requires an Apple Local Talk in the pc as
well as the Lantastic adapter card.

Rick Roth

#: 371 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:14:33
Sb: #344-Welcome
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Wolfgang John 76214,1327 (X)

Wolfgang

Thanks, we realize that this board is not for everyone, and rest assured we
are not planning on discontinueing the BBS, but for those who want it we are
here and ready to help.

Rick Roth

#: 373 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:15:01
Sb: #350-Newcomer
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Brian Smyth 71321,3406

Brian

Our bulletin on performance in BLTS.ZIP in Libary section gives several hints
on tuning performance.  One of them is: to equalize the load on a network the
server should log into itself as a workstation, this will eliminate contention
for network resources.  This will increase overall network performance but
slightly degrade the performance of the server itself.  What we normally
reccommend is assigning a set of drives to each server, is server1 has e and f
server 2 has g and h server 3 has i and j. every computer on the network
issues the following commands:
 net use e: \\server1\c-drive
 net use f: \\server1\d-drive
 net use g: \\server2\c-drive
 net use h: \\server2\d-drive
 net use i: \\server3\c-drive
 net use j: \\server3\d-drive

All network software should be installed on the redirected drives.  With this
scheme or one similar everyone knows thst c and d are the local drives on his
workstation and all computers(even the servers) refer to e: as the first drive
on server1.  This will also avoid file name not found errors.

You do not state what software if any you are running on the print server at
the same time you are attempting to print,  this will have a great effect of
the speed of the printing.  You can increase the print speed by increasing the
cps in the printer defination of shared resources section of net_mgr.  The
higher this goes the faster the overall speed of the printer will be, but the
slower the workstation portion of the server will run.


Rick Roth

#: 374 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:15:10
Sb: #360-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Pat Attanasio 72401,371

Pat

Currently there are no documented hooks to allow you to do this.  Several
third party vendors are currently trying.  Any chance of getting the other
workstations to shut down before they leave so there are no open files to
worry about.  You should then be able to tell sytos to ignore or bypass the
entire lantasti.net directory.

Rick Roth

#: 389 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  21:53:28
Sb: #360-LAN Shutdown
FCraig Bohman 72310,3660
To: Pat Attanasio 72401,371

Pat-
     I too am using Sytos for backup.  I backup from a workstation.  I've had
no problems with busy files, however, I get an intermittant "Tape drive not
ready" error which aborts the backup.  This message is always the last entry
in the backup log file.  Is this the problem you are having also?  About 20%
of my backup finish properly.  The rest bomb out at various stages during the
backup.
                                       Craig

#: 376 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  18:37:58
Sb: #361-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Curtis

This is a good solution I use something simliar, you must remember to flush
the cache if you are using a cache and make sure that everyone else in off to
avoid corupting any files that another user may have open. There are several
products that allow you to force either a warm or cold boot from a batch file,
the problem is getting the S command to gracefully shut any open files.

Rick Roth

#: 385 S2/Artisoft
    15-Apr-91  19:17:08
Sb: LANTASTIC
Fm: Dror Frommer 72730,2304
To: [F] Arisoft Support 75300,1377

I'm looking for a software package that will let one use take over other
terminal. On NetWare there are number of packages like CloseUp,
TakeOver etc.




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#: 408 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  12:08:28
Sb: #394-Lantastic on Arcnet?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Tom Stearns 76467,3344

Tom

We havent tested it yet,if you want to take the plunge remember we do have the
30 day no question asked refund policy on all our products.  Why not order two
copies of LANtasic/AI and give it a try?

Rick Roth

#: 406 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  12:08:14
Sb: #387-Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235

Norman

The only downside is that when the cards are set in that position you are no
longer in compliance with the IEEE 802.3 standards.  This means  you cannot
use a repeater or other compliant device with the network.  We ship the cards
in standard mode because our cards are NE2000 compatable and can be used in
many other networks besides LANtastic.

Rick Roth

#: 407 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  12:08:22
Sb: #388-Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235

Norman

That is what my teacher said but how knows, sometimes the folklore assumes the
position of fact.  Who really knows why we are using MSDos rather than CPM,
heard lots of juicy stories though.

Rick Roth

#: 397 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  07:53:59
Sb: #368-#Toshiba 5200 Server Prob
Fm: Jim Clack 76474,1463
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick--
        Why shouldn't one load buffers and files high?  Is this on the server
only?  Sorry--I got in on the middle of this thread. Thanks, Jim

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#: 409 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  12:08:36
Sb: #397-Toshiba 5200 Server Prob
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jim Clack 76474,1463

Jim

We have found through empicical testing that the system becomes unreliable
when files and buffers are loaded high.  This will apply on servers and
workstations.

Rick Roth

#: 398 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  09:29:54
Sb: #361-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Pat Attanasio 72401,371
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Curtis,

Thanks for the ideas, however, I wanted to avoid pulling the rug out from
LANtastic with a boot.  There is no guarantee that a user correctly closed an
application and logged off.  I really need to simulate the "S".

You method would be safe if I could determine the status of the network is
quiet, i.e. no files open.  Rick's message to Marc Perkel talks about API info
in BLTS.ZIP.  I am going to check out this course.

Pat

#: 399 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  09:30:13
Sb: #374-#LAN Shutdown
Fm: Pat Attanasio 72401,371
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

Assuring that the users log off before going home is impossible.  I'm lucky
they remember to correctly close an application much less log off (although
repeated beatings with small pieces of lumber does help <g> ).

I am going to add LANTASTIC.NET to the list of files/directories to exclude.
Additionally, I will add those magical file locking sentinel files like
MM.CTL, PARADOX.NET etc. to the exclude list as problems arise.

I'm going to look at the doc in BLTS.ZIP that you recommended to Marc.  If I
can determine that the network is quiet, i.e. no files open, I will try an
alternate AUTOEXEC/Reboot method that Curtis talked about.

Ultimately, a command line method for shutting down would be nice. Maybe it
can be added to the wish list?


Regards - Pat

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#: 404 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  12:07:53
Sb: #399-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Pat Attanasio 72401,371

Pat

We will add it to the wish list. I beleive that your idea of checking to see
if anyone is using the server is good as a protection, but what do you do if
someone has gone home with a file open?  You may want to download the file
sft?.zip, I believe you can find it in CONSULT, this includes source code and
is used to determine the file and record locks in use on the server.  You may
be able to use this to determine which files are open, share stores the
servers complete path for every open file in a buffer, and then modify your
exclude files.  Again this is a cludge but.. I will add your request for a
command line method to shut down server as well as a method to remotely shut
down a work station to the WISH LIST.

Rick Roth

#: 400 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  09:30:33
Sb: #389-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Pat Attanasio 72401,371
To: Craig Bohman 72310,3660

Craig,

I don't get the drive not ready error, but I'm also not running Sytos from a
workstation.

The more I use it, the less reliable it seems to be.  In general, I do like
the software, however, now that I've started to use SYCLOCK to do these
unattended backups at 9:00, I'm experiencing more problems getting the job
done.

Occasionally, I'll have the file in use problems I talked about, but more
recently, SYCLOCK gets hung up and never executes the batch file at the
specified time.  Hit any key and it takes off.

These are the other reasons why I want to get LANtastic cleanly out of the
system before backing up.

If I can ever get a pattern of failures, I will contact Sytos.  Until then,
I'm learning to live with it.

BTW, I have a the 1.0 Norton Backup that I have not tried on this system. It
was a little flakey with floppies, but then again, I didn't spend too much
time with it.  I'll have to try it out on the network.

Regards - Pat

#: 405 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  12:08:05
Sb: #385-LANTASTIC
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Dror Frommer 72730,2304

Dror

There are several packages that we have tested and found compatable.  If you
want to take over the WS from another node on the network The Network EYE from
Artisoft will work very well.  To take over a WS from a remote location via a
modem you should consider one of the following packages:

Carbon Copy and Carbon Copy PLUS - Meridian Technology
 Close-UP and Close-UP/LAN - Norton Lambert
 Co/Session 4.0 - Trinton Technology
 Crosstalk - DCA/CrossTalk Communications
 PC Anywhere - DMA

For a complete catagorized list of software and hardware products that have
been tested and found compatable please download the file bulet.zip for the
library.

Rick Roth

#: 402 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  09:57:19
Sb: #Shared resources
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: ALL

Hi Gang,

Congrates on your own forum!

I't looks like I'm going to be a Lantastic owner before too long.   Thanks to
Sysop for getting me the literature so quick!

I'm still a little nervous as I know so little about Lans.

I have three questions for this msg.

1.  Can a modem be a shared resource?

2.  Any recommendations for good books describing the software
capabilities of lans/Lantastic?

3.  Can the documentation for Lantastic be purchased separately?

Thanks,

Rog...



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#: 410 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  12:08:47
Sb: #402-Shared resources
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520

Roger

You are welcome.

You can purchase the manuals seperately, you will need to call sales at
602-293-6363.

A modem can be a shared resource with the purchase of another software
package.  Three of them are Sparkle from Concept Development, LAN+Modem from
Cross Information and NCS from J&L Information.  Demo versions of the last 2
are available in the Library.

Unfortunatly there are no books on the market on Lantastic .. YET

Rick Roth




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#: 414 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  14:14:19
Sb: #333-Foxpro and Lantastic
Fm: Gary Saake 72361,1503
To: Tom Stearns 76467,3344 (X)

Tom:

FYI, SHARE tends to ignore the /F /L stuff unless you put it into your
config.sys. I'd move it for sure.

Gary Saake


#: 425 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  20:31:47
Sb: #367-Software Interface
Fm: Marc Perkel (MarxMenu) 76505,1120
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I'll take a look at it. I want to add a lantastic module to MarxMenu. Have you
all ever looked at MarxMenu?

#: 417 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  16:04:25
Sb: #410-Shared resources
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I'll call the number to order the manuals.

Rog.


#: 423 S2/Artisoft
    16-Apr-91  19:44:04
Sb: Windows Printing
Fm: Roger Loeb 74666,355
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

I was one of several prople who previously reported slow printing when running
Lantastic with Windows (stnadard mode).  Well, base on your recommendation, I
finally got around to setting up an old AT as a server, so I could run Win in
enhanced mode.

Guess what?  Windows still prints incredibly slow--albeit through the server.
I suspect that Windows is the problem, but something is real strange.  If I
print to a file, then copy the file to the printer, printing is "reasonably"
prompt, but, if I print to COM1.OS2 in Windows (which should be having the
same effect), then it takes forever.

The printer is an <original> LaserWriter, running XON/XOFF at 9600 baud. The
print buffer size is set to 1024.  I have watched this thing run with a
datascope (because I suspected a dropped XON), but haven't been able to spot
anything.  Do you think that a larger print buffer would make any difference?

A request to development: if, for some reason, a serial printer "forgets" to
send an XON after an XOFF, or the XON gets lost, Lantastic will continue
(apparently) forever waiting for the XON.  The only way to clear this problem
is to reboot.  How about waiting for 60-90 seconds and then resume printing,
even without an XON?  If the printer is blocked, it will send another XOFF
anyway.

ROG







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#: 435 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  10:20:41
Sb: #425-Software Interface
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Marc Perkel (MarxMenu) 76505,1120

Marc

I show no record of any testing on MarxMenu.

Rick Roth

#: 441 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  13:53:26
Sb: #368-Toshiba 5200 Server Prob
Fm: Michael L. McGuire 76264,2121
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I do  load by files and buffers hi. Also all of the lantastic
software as well, i.e. server,redir,ai and so on. However i have
had problems with my Toshiba 5200 forever locking up when accessed
by other machines (I am server to them). ansi is also loaded hi as
well as PCKRAM, a ram disk handler. In no other software do i have
problem.
appreciate your help
thanxx.  mike

#: 451 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  20:27:28
Sb: #373-Newcomer
Fm: Brian Smyth 71321,3406
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

 I will need to adapt your suggestion about standardizing network drive names
since I have one server running DOS 3.3 with an 80 MB hard drive partitioned C
thru E and the other server running DOS 4.01 with a single 100 MB C partition.
The other 3 workstations each have 80 MB hard drives with C thru E partitions.

The software that is hogging the network is AutoCAD 386 v.10.  Even when using
redirected drives and a com po:t the serial plotter seems to put traffic on
the Laser Jet III to a standstill (both are run from the server running Auto
CAD).  I have set the "cps" for the serial plotter (com2) to 31 thousand
something as suggested in the bulet.zip file I downloaded from your Library.

I have also had a lot of problems running Quattro Pro 2.0 on the network. No
matter what files, FCBS or share settings I use I cannot open more than 8 out
of 12 linked spreadsheets (11 linked to 1 summary spreadsheet).  The error
message I get from Quattro is that I don't have enough file handles. I have
increased files and share locks to the point where the network just barely
loads and it still doesn't seem to help.  I  only have one instance of Quattro
on the network so its not a problem of users competing for the see 16 open.
This occurs on the server running DOS 4.01.  Do you have any suggestions.

Perhaps the best advice you could give me is were to find a good book on
Lantastic Networking or Networking in general.

Learning Fast,

Brian

#: 452 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  20:28:50
Sb: #373-Newcomer
Fm: Brian Smyth 71321,3406
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Thanks for the advice.  I will need to adapt your suggestion about
standardizing network drive names since I have one server running DOS 3.3 with
an 80 MB hard drive partitioned C thru E and the other server running DOS 4.01
with a single 100 MB C partition. The other 3 workstations each have 80 MB
hard drives with C thru E partitions.

The softw1re that is hogging the network is AutoCAD 386 v.10.  Even when using
redirected drives and a com port the serial plotter seems to put traffic on
the Laser Jet III to a standstill (both are run from the server running Auto
CAD).  I have set the "cps" for the serial plotter (com2) to 31 thousand
something as suggested in the bulet.zip file I downloaded from your Library.

I have also had a lot of problems running Quattro Pro 2.0 on the network. No
matter what files, FCBS or share settings I use I cannot open more than 8 out
of 12 linked spreadsheets (11 linked to 1 summary spreadsheet).  The error
message I get from Quattro is that I don't have enough file handles. I have
increased files and share locks to the point where the network just barely
loa0s and it still doesn't seem to help.  I  only have one instance of Quattro
on the network so its not a problem of users competing for the same files.
When I check on the number of DOS files open I only see 16 open.  This occurs
on the server running DOS 4.01.  Do you have any suggestions.

Perhaps the best advice you could give me is were to find a good book on
Lantastic Networking or Networking in general.

Learning Fast,

Brian

#: 443 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  14:59:00
Sb: #374-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Come to think of it isn't there a NET SHUTDOWN command? Maybe I'm thinking of
3+Open and all my LANtastic docs are on client sites. But I thought there was
such a thing.
                -cjh

#: 434 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  10:20:34
Sb: #423-#Windows Printing
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roger Loeb 74666,355 (X)

Roger

I will pass your request on to engineering.  Try printing via lpt2 rather than
lpt1.os2 and disableing print manager.  We have found nothing but problems
printing via lpt1 or any of the file printers, LPTx.PRN or LPTx.OS2.  Of
course the TransmissionRetryTimeout and DeviceNotSelectedTimeout should both
be set to 900 and lpt timeout to 45.

Rick Roth

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#: 450 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  19:42:36
Sb: #434-Windows Printing
Fm: Roger Loeb 74666,355
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

The print problem I'm having is not connected to the use of LPTn or COMn. The
transfer of the print file to the Lantastic server is going quite well.

Actually, after doing a LOT of testing, I think that it is really the Windows
implementation of PostScript.  The durn initialization code takes up so much
memory in the LaserWriter that it sends an XOFF every 200 or so characters.
Also, essentially every "word" is sent as a separate PostScript field.

Summary: I don't think this is a Lantastic problem at all!  The data spools
from Win to the Lantastic server quite promptly and starts being sent to the
LaserWriter almost immediately.

Thanks for your patience and support!

ROG

P.S.  I did find a "patch" for the PostScript implementation in the original
LaserWriter (version 23) that may/may not make a difference.  I'm going to
test that some more.




#: 449 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  18:35:56
Sb: Print to NUL in DB4
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

I've been having some wierd problems with a Dbase IV report which prints to
screen that I run on the workstation.  They all relate to variables (which for
sure exist) not being recognized by the print routine.  I've never had
thiswhich required alot of other changes as well so I'm not sure it's the net.

However, I got to thinking-- to print a report to the screen in DbIV you set a
couple of print system variables (_pline=25 and _pwait=.t.) and set printer to
NUL.  Is there anythning about NUL that might be causing the problem?  I run
DbIV with dbase on the workstation with the command dbase #DF=I: (the drive
where dbnetcontrol.300 is).

I'm going to bring this up on the AT /dblan sig tonight, but thought  it wise
to see if you might shed some light as well.

Ken Malkin       ppppppppppppppppppp

#: 454 S2/Artisoft
    17-Apr-91  22:14:53
Sb: Keyboard anomolies
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth Artisoft 75300,1377

Rick-

I have a client who's running Lantastic ethernet version 3.something, and has
been experiencing problems with a 101-key keyboard.

It seems that totally randomly, the cursor arrow keys in the inverted-T pad
(not the combined numeric keypad) will generate their numeric equivalents
rather than a cursor movement.  Also, sometimes the sense of the Caps Lock key
is reversed, whereby if it's not set he gets all caps, and if it is set, he
gets lower case.

The system runs both the server and redirector software, both of which are
loaded high using QEMM's LOADHI program.  The phenomena described do not
occur, ever, when a plain autoexec.bat and config.sys are used (with no TSR
software), the Lantastic programs are the only TSRs in use, and a technician
has checked out the hardware (keyboard and keyboard BIOS) and determined that
all works well.

So the question is, are there any known problems with any of this software
that could cause these symptoms, and if so, how does one fix it?

Thanx in advance.

Bye, Norman




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#: 465 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  13:24:36
Sb: #451-Newcomer
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Brian Smyth 71321,3406 (X)

Brian

Several things to consider on the printing, have you set the printer tasks to
2? If not set them in net_mgr server startup parameters.  Are you ploting
through the network at the same time you are using the laser printer or are
you plotting from the server and printing through the network.  If the latter
is the case you may want consider plotting locally and printing through the
network.

If you have a lot of stations ploting at the same time while you are working
on the server, you may want to consider investing in a cheap XT and setting it
up as a print server.

Quatro is compatable, remember that the files on the server must be for EVERY
network file that is open.  It is very easy to run our of files on a server.
You can increase the files beyond the 254 max in config.sys in the server
startup parameter section of Lantastic.  You should make sure that you are
loading share in the config.sys file with the install= command.

Rick Roth

#: 468 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  13:27:03
Sb: #443-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Curtis

No there is not a net shutdown command, I have just uploaded a file shutdo.zip
that will shutdown the network from a command line or input from a serial
port.  The assembly code is included.  I have also uploaded a file rxm.zip
that will allow you to remotely shutdown a work station.

Rick Roth

#: 470 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  13:27:18
Sb: #450-Windows Printing
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roger Loeb 74666,355 (X)

Rog

Thanks for the update, its nice to know that ALL problems are not caused by
us.

Rick Roth

#: 469 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  13:27:12
Sb: #449-#Print to NUL in DB4
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

I know of no problems with NUL; however, there were many problems with dBase 4
and versions of Lantastic prior to NOS 3.03.  They have been resolved with NOS
3.03 and the latest version of dBase.

Rick Roth

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#: 485 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  20:22:42
Sb: #469-Print to NUL in DB4
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I think I found my problem-- wasn't with NUL.  I have NOS 3.03 and DB1.1 x507a
so if I cant solve it I'll be back.

Ken

#: 466 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  13:24:54
Sb: #454-#Keyboard anomolies
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235 (X)

Norman

Please download the file int9fi.zip from the library.  This contains several
programs to patch your computers bios.  This is not a bug in Lantastic you
will find the same problems with many other programs as well, Word perfect
uses the same bios patch to correct this on systems with Lantastic.  The error
occurs because the 101 exhanced keyboard send a string of scan codes (4 with
num lock on) for each key press and release. A 0E scan code precedes each of
the others to indicate that the following code is to be interpreted as
enchanced.

Each keystroke calls the AT bios handler, which then inhibits the keyboard
from sending further scan codes until the first is processed. Unfortunately
before this is done the AT bios sends a STI allowing other interupts to
interupt the keyboard ISR. This means that if many codes come in succession
the first can be over written by the second if you have TSR's that change the
timer installed.  If the AT Bios would inhibit the keyboard FIRST and then
issue the STI this would not occur.  The patches in the above file correct
this problem.

Rick Roth

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#: 483 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  20:02:12
Sb: #466-Keyboard anomolies
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick-

This fix sounds like just the ticket!  Thanx for the info, and I'll apply it
to the client's machine ASAP.

Bye, Norman

#: 473 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  15:10:34
Sb: #Lantastic wiring?
Fm: Ed Thieberger 73520,617
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,
I posted the following message in the IBM Communications forum and was advised
to write to you over here.  Can you help?  Thanks.


My company will be installing a Lantastic 10Mbps network shortly, and it has
fallen upon me to obtain details about the necessary wiring,  etc.   So, a
couple of questions:

1) What wiring options are there?  I understand that Artisoft recommends thin
ethernet RG-58 AU .  Is it possible to use twisted pair? If so,     what are
the required specs?  Under what conditions, if any, might it be possible to
use existing phone wiring?  Is fiber optic cable an option?

2) Aside from the cable and the AE-2 cards, what additional hardware would be
necessary?  We'd like to run a trunk line and drop feeds from it at intervals.
Is a cable box of some sort required for each PC to accomplish this?  If so,
could you provide me with a description and information on obtaining a set of
them?  Does Artisoft sell this hardware?

3) Does Artisoft sell the necessary cabling?  If not, where might one obtain
it?  How about the various connectors, etc?  What types are required and where
would one obtain them?

It should be obvious from the above questions that I have little experience
installing network hardware.  Are you aware of any books on the subject that I
should consider getting?  Does Artisoft have any literature that would
enlighten me?

-Ed



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#: 477 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  18:01:30
Sb: #473-Lantastic wiring?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ed Thieberger 73520,617 (X)

Ed

I answered it in more detail in IBM COM but in a thumbnail.

1. Lantastic Ae2 Cards use coax only.

2. You cannot run drop cables using cheapernet coax you can with standard
ethernet but it is much harder and more expensive.

3.  Artisoft sell pre-assembled cheapernet cables in 24,50, and 100' lengths.

Rick Roth

#: 476 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  17:06:18
Sb: International Lantastic
Fm: David Hacking 76247,2421
To: ALL

Does anyone know if Lantastic is available in languages other than English?
If so, in which languages is it available and are both the software and
documentation translated?

Thanks, I'm doing research on network operating systems in foreign languages.

David Hacking 76247,2421

#: 484 S2/Artisoft
    18-Apr-91  20:15:12
Sb: LANcache + Workstation
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rich Roth 76050,1210

Rich, I have added to the server's autoexec.bat file both LANcache and
Fastopen and there is a substantial improvement in the database processing,
but not so on the workstation.  I am using the sample AUTOEXEC.BAT, listed on
page 165 of LANtastic documenation, for the workstation that boots from a
floppy.  Do I need to add LANcache as part of the workstation's autoexec.bat
file?  Now that the server is faster, I'm trying to improve the performance of
the workstation.  Any suggestions?  * Harold *






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#: 500 S2/Artisoft
    19-Apr-91  16:35:49
Sb: #402-Shared resources
Fm: Ted Means 73067,3332
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520

We're using a package called Modem Assist from Fresh Technology Group.  It
allows an unlimited number of users and up to five modems to be shared.  It
works very well and so far I'm quite impressed.

Fresh Technology [phone].

Ted Means




#: 498 S2/Artisoft
    19-Apr-91  15:42:25
Sb: #476-International Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: David Hacking 76247,2421

David

Lantastic is available in German, Japanese, Spanish, French, Dutch, and
Scandanavian.  The versions are available from local distributers in their
respective countries.

Rick Roth

#: 499 S2/Artisoft
    19-Apr-91  15:42:38
Sb: #484-LANcache + Workstation
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207 (X)

Harold

Lancache and fastopen will not effect the performance of the workstation. You
should download the file bullet.zip from the library area and check out the
bulletin on performance.  The two biggest things you can do to increase
performance is increase the number of buffers on the redir command line.  The
line redir workstation buffers=2 should help.  The number of buffers should be
an even number and not normally greater than 6.  You may want to have the
server log onto itself and work off of it's redirected drives.  This will slow
the server down slightly but will increase the performance of the rest of the
network.

Rick Roth




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#: 508 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  12:34:10
Sb: #344-#Welcome
Fm: Jon Wenger [HCC] 70540,504
To: Wolfgang John 76214,1327 (X)

If you are going to use CI$ then you should get an automation program like
TAPCIS.  (GO TAPCIS).  It is shareware with a contribution of $79 (I think).
Using TAPCIS I do all my reading, composing, etc. offline and then upload and
download messages with a total connect time of about 3 mins per hour of CIS
browsing, etc.  It will also build and maintain download library directories
so you can indicate which files to download offline and then do so later with
CIS-B protocol. There is a 30 day evaluation period, what can you lose?



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#: 510 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  13:45:00
Sb: #508-Welcome
Fm: Wolfgang John 76214,1327
To: Jon Wenger [HCC] 70540,504 (X)

Thanks for your concern, Jon.  I never spend more than 2 min on CIS, unless I
am downloading.  And that is what I was trying to say in my message.  I pay
both long distance phone charges plus CIS charges.  From my experience, it
takes longer to download a given file from CIS (using their fast protocol)
than from most BBS's, unless you catch CIS in the middle of the night (which I
do for long files).  The per hour phone charges to Artisoft from California
are substantially less than the CIS charges alone.

I have been wanting to take a look at TAPCIS, but I have developed my own
script files and do everything possible off-line.

BTW, I am typing this off-line of course.

Wolfgang.



#: 575 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  09:23:57
Sb: #468-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks Rick, I have a client who could use that Shutdown.
                -cjh

#: 576 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  09:40:39
Sb: #498-International Lantastic
Fm: David Hacking 76247,2421
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks for the info Rick.

Does this mean that the manuals and all of the software (including the
requester) is translated or just the manuals?

Thanks again,

David H.

#: 566 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  06:55:11
Sb: #499-LANcache + Workstation
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick, I thought as much, but needed confirmation that neither LANcache nor
FASTOPEN will improve the performance of the workstation.  I have downloaded a
copy of the file Bullet.zip.  I will review this file. Also, in an earlier
message to me, you metioned that in NET_MGR I should see a resource named
C_DRIVE which points to C:.  If I don't see it, them I can insert it by hand.
Whenever I attempt to do this, I get the message "ACCESS DENIED."  I have been
able to figure out why.  Of course, I will follow your second suggestion --
install the program again. In addition, it's wonderful to have this forum.
Now, I can begin to learn how to better use this LANtastic and recommend it to
other clients.  By the way, thanks for your prompt responses.  * Harold *



#: 509 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  12:39:02
Sb: #IDE drives/AMI BIOS
Fm: Roger Loeb 74666,355
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

I am about to change disk drives in one of my machines.  Somewhere I eremeber
a vague warning about IDE drives and AMI BIOS's dated prior to March, 1990.  I
can't remember whether that was a Lantastic issue, a QEMM issue, a Windows
issue, a Stacker issue, or ???, so I'm asking around in various places to see
if I can resurrect the message.

Do you have any reason to question the use of IDE drives and AMI BIOS prior to
1990 with Lantastic V3?

Thanks.

ROG






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#: 547 S2/Artisoft
    21-Apr-91  15:44:25
Sb: #509-IDE drives/AMI BIOS
Fm: Harry A. Gardner 73727,3115
To: Roger Loeb 74666,355

Roger,

The warning I've heard is of intermittent file read/write problems on IDE
drives w/AMI BIOS prior to 4/29/90.  I learned of this after installing a
Maxtor LXT200A in a 386/25 with AMI dated 3/3/89.  So far no problems have
occurred after several months.  I am pursuing an updated BIOS from the clone
vendor but all they've told me thus far is that they're still using the older
BIOSes with all the new systems they sell including lots of IDE drives and
haven't heard of any problems...

The IBMHW forum has had some messages on this.  Clyde Washburn is an active
AMI dealer and offered to get me an updated BIOS if the vendor didn't come
thru.  I may take him up on it, but not before I ring the vendor's bells a
little more loudly <g>.


#: 513 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  14:30:30
Sb: AE-2 install problem
Fm: Mark Robinson/RAMS Micro 70244,3011
To: all

I'm attempting to install an AE-2 adapter in an AT&T 6300 but can't get the
AE-2 driver to install.  The initial copyright message appears and then the
system hangs and requires a cold boot.  No drivers in the CONFIG.SYS and no
TSRs.  Tried several combos of IRQs and IOBASEs. Any suggestions?  - Thanks.

#: 516 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  16:02:04
Sb: #Keyboard anomaly
Fm: Rick Strahl 76427,2363
To: all

Hello,

   I seem to have a problem with Lantastic-Z and my keyboard (on both machines
actually). The arrow keys on my 101 key keyboard will occasionally throw in
the numbers instead of the appropriate  cursor movement. So, a down arrow (on
the cursor key star) becomes a 2 the up arrow an 8 and so on. Kind of annoying
when you're in the middle of writing some code...
   Any idea what is causing this?

                       +++ Rick ---





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#: 537 S2/Artisoft
    21-Apr-91  11:43:30
Sb: #516-Keyboard anomaly
Fm: Jon Wenger [HCC] 70540,504
To: Rick Strahl 76427,2363 (X)

Rick, read the thread in this forum starting with message 454.  That should
put you on the right track.



#: 517 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  17:13:39
Sb: Error Question
Fm: Gerald Genovese 70137,1560
To: all

I have a 2 node(both server) network setup.  I tried to run Dbase III+ from
the workstation not containing the application and it was unsucsessful.  On
the server (where Dbase III+ is located) I setup a shared resourse to the
Dbase directory as drive L:.  When I tried to run Dbase on the workstation O
got the following errror:
       Check Network drive specification (L)
       Network load failure C(18 00)

       Control file LOCK failure

Can anyone tell me what is wrong and how to coorect it.

Thank you

Gerald



#: 518 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  17:47:54
Sb: #NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

I have just finished setting up a LANtastic AI network for a client, and we
have run into a slight problem (actually it was gut-wrenching at first <g>).
It seems that when LANtastic is installed and one runs Symantec's Norton Disk
Doctor you get a "Bad File Allocation Table" everytime it is run, then you are
unable to continue with disk testing.  Once LANtastic is removed, NDD runs
without any problem and does not report any errors - that is until LANtastic
is loaded again.

Any ideas?

[Rupert]

P.S. I remember reading a message somewhere about somebody having problems
     installing LANtastic AI with WD Elite cards.  I have just setup a
     network using the new WD Elite 16 Combo (twisted pair & coax) cards
     without any problem (yet <g>).  If you could use some assistance
     tracking down their problems, feel free to ask.  By the way, you sent a
     message to me a couple of weeks ago (I think) about an anomaly with the
     WD Elite cards and I can't locate the message anywhere, could you
     please repost it.  Thanks



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#: 521 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  23:13:53
Sb: #518-#NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Tom Stearns 76467,3344
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Are you trying to run NDD with SERVER installed?  If so you WILL have
problems.



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#: 522 S2/Artisoft
    21-Apr-91  00:24:01
Sb: #521-#NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Tom Stearns 76467,3344 (X)

Yes, they are running it after SERVER has been loaded, I will just tell them
to make sure to run NDD before loading it - are there any problems running NDD
while REDIR is loaded?  Thanks for the warning.

[Rupert]



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#: 550 S2/Artisoft
    21-Apr-91  16:45:31
Sb: #522-NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Tom Stearns 76467,3344
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

I've not had any trouble running NDD with REDIR installed, I do it all the
time.  What I use is a product called BOOTCON which allows for booting
different ways and I have a boot labeled "Disk Maintenance" which is a batch
with NDD, SD and a reboot at the end.



#: 574 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  09:23:51
Sb: #518-NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341

Rupert -
        This problem would be true on any network, you only see it on
LANtastic because LANtastic runs DOS on the server rather than Netware or
OS/2.
        Consider this - when you access a physical drive (one at the time)
FAT access is no problem. When you access a virtual (network)  drive,  what
would happen if two people changed the same FAT entry at the same time? Lost
clusters, cross-linked files - in short,  disaster.
        One of the most important things that NOSs do is control access to the
FAT. When NDD can't find the FAT that means that LANtastic is doing its job.
Unfortunately NDD can't do its job w/o access to the FAT.
        I'm not trying to be condescending, just trying to help you
understand.
        Good luck.
                -cjh

#: 520 S2/Artisoft
    20-Apr-91  22:46:27
Sb: NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

I forgot to mention that they are using version 5.0 of the Norton Utils.

[Rupert]



#: 553 S2/Artisoft
    21-Apr-91  18:21:00
Sb: #Lantastic w/twisted pair
Fm: Ed Thieberger 73520,617
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,
My company would like to install a 10 Mbps twisted-pair Lantastic ethernet
network.  What twisted-pair ethernet adapters are compatible with Lantastic?
Would you be able to refer me to a manufacturer/distributor?  What are typical
specs. for wiring such a setup?  I understand that ARCNET cards require only
one pair of wires per card and it is this fact which makes ARCNET attractive
for some.  Do twisted-pair ethernet adapters generally (always?) take two
pairs?

Thanks.

-Ed

P.S. I'd also appreciate the name of a good Lantastic dealer in my
neighborhood (NY metropolitan area).


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#: 573 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  09:23:38
Sb: #553-Lantastic w/twisted pair
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Ed Thieberger 73520,617

LANtastic will have a TP version of its own ethernet cards out soon.  I highly
recommend ethernet over arcnet because of its better speed.
                -cjh

#: 558 S2/Artisoft
    21-Apr-91  21:39:35
Sb: CSMA/CD/CA Protocol = ??
Fm: Eric Poole 73127,2034
To: All

I need some information on "Carrier Sense Multiple Access with Collision
Detect/Collision Avoidance" (CSMA/CD/CA) network protocol.

Is this a specific protocol, or a "generic" protocol description; i.e. is
there a specification somewhere that defines the protocol so that all
CSMA/CD/CA devices can communicate with one another?

Thanks for any help . . . and if you can point me in the direction of a book
or magazine article, so much the better.

 . . . . . ep







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#: 615 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  21:20:07
Sb: #400-LAN Shutdown
Fm: Sean Baxter 76044,1173
To: Pat Attanasio 72401,371

Pat,

I have read the threads on your SyTos adventures.  I had to use a Tecmar
product 2 years ago that used the SyTos software and found it to be the most
confusing and difficult tape software products.  The way it creates its own
hidden files and even the hidden configuration file was all too much.  I hope
the product is better today.

The Colorado tape backup, the new 250 Mb internal drive which can be bought
for $310 is great and works fine in Windows 3.0 & Lantastic.

Sean

#: 592 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  12:08:27
Sb: Shared resources
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: Ted Means 73067,3332

Hi Ted,

Thanks for the lead, sounds like just what I need.

Rog.


#: 593 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  12:15:23
Sb: #473-#Lantastic wiring?
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: Ed Thieberger 73520,617 (X)

Hi Ed,

I'll jump in here, as I'm learning about LANs also.

LAN PRIMER or ABC,S OF LANS at your bookstore go into more detail about Lan
hardware and wiring than you'll ever need.  Get one or the other, don't waste
your money to buy both.

Rog.


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#: 613 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  19:37:32
Sb: #593-Lantastic wiring?
Fm: Ed Thieberger 73520,617
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520

Roger,
Thanks for the book tips.  I'll have to go down to my local bookstore and see
if I can find either one.  They have a pretty extensive computer books
section...

-Ed


#: 591 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  12:00:08
Sb: #576-#International Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: David Hacking 76247,2421 (X)

David

The translations include manuals and software.

Rick Roth

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#: 598 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  14:58:58
Sb: #591-#International Lantastic
Fm: David Hacking 76247,2421
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks Again Rick.

If Lantastic is available in Japanese, that means it must support Double Byte
Character sets.  That's a great technical achievement!  Is there someone at
Artisoft that I could talk to about how all this was done? If so, please
EasyPlex me a name and a phone number.

Are there plans to do other double-byte languages such as Chinese or Korean?

Thank you for your explainations, David H.



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#: 601 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  16:32:26
Sb: #598-International Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: David Hacking 76247,2421

David

The translation was done in Japan by our Japanese distributer.  Their name is
American Technologies group.

Rick Roth

#: 586 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  11:59:27
Sb: #509-IDE drives/AMI BIOS
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roger Loeb 74666,355

Roger

We have reports that AMI bios dated prior to 12/15/89 on AT's, prior to 4/9/90
on 386's and 8/12/90 of 386SX's.  This was a problem of missed interupts that
could cause file corruption.  This is not a Lantastic issue per se, but the
network always gets the blame for file corruption fo we to look for these bios
in combination with IDE hard drives.

Rick Roth

#: 587 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  11:59:36
Sb: #513-AE-2 install problem
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Mark Robinson/RAMS Micro 70244,3011 (X)

Mark

Try moving the w8 jumper to postion b, the nonstandard bus timing setting, you
should also try runing the card in the 8bit mode by setting the w9 jumper to
the 8 bit position.  If you have 16bit VGA in the computer try forcing the VGA
card to 8 bit mode.

Rick Roth

#: 588 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  11:59:42
Sb: #516-Keyboard anomaly
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rick Strahl 76427,2363

Rick

Download the file int9fx.exe, this is a self extracting archive that contains
several patchs that will slove this problem.

Rick Roth

#: 589 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  11:59:50
Sb: #517-Error Question
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Gerald Genovese 70137,1560 (X)

Gerald

With the network version of dBase you must run the dbsetup program on each
workstation. Not doing this can cause the errors you mention.  Lantastic is
not supported by Ashton Tate you may want to check out their forum for further
information.

Rick Roth

#: 590 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  12:00:01
Sb: #518-#NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

Actually the problem is even easier than that.  Quite simply you should not
run ANY program that directly accesses the FAT on a server's hard drive. This
includes chkdsk as well as any disk utility.  The reason is simple, if you
modify the contents of a hard drives fat table without going through the
network and another user is using the hard drive you have a disaster.  Since
Lantastic is a peer to peer network that overlays dos you can use all your
disk diagnostic and repair utilities without the network running.

Rick Roth

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#: 597 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  13:40:10
Sb: #590-NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks for the response Rick, I was a little startled at first, as I had NDD
running successfully on a couple of other LANtastic networks - I know realize
that I had run NDD before loading LANtastic.

[Rupert]



#: 596 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  13:40:03
Sb: #574-NDD, FAT & LANtastic
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Not condescending at all, Curtis, actually quit enlightning <g>.  Thanks for
the explanation - I now have them running NDD before loading LANtastic.

[Rupert]



#: 612 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  19:37:26
Sb: #573-Lantastic w/twisted pair
Fm: Ed Thieberger 73520,617
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Curtis,
Thanks for the lead.  I just called Artisoft to see what their salespeople
know about their new product.  They told me that the twisted-pair version of
their cards won't be out until mid-May.    Unfortunately that's a couple of
weeks too late for our needs.  The salesperson recommended a Western Digital
twisted pair ethernet card to be used in conjunction with their Lantastic/AI
(adapter independent)  software.  It sounds like that's the way to go for us
at this point.

-Ed


#: 624 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  22:41:00
Sb: SPOOLER/BUFFER CONFLICT
Fm: JimHorn[VETFORUM] 76703,603
To:  75300,1377

This is a message I picked up from my brother in Fort Worth, Texas: "I need
some help with the LANtastic network configuration on a two statio network.
I am using SourceMate Accounting software and trying to print a three or four
page report from the HOST computer to the REMOTE printer (through the REMOTE
workstation) and after about one and a half pages have been printed, the
printer stops dead in its tracks and nothing I do will get it restarted.  It
appears the printer spooler is sending the file to the printer until the
printer buffer is full and then it doesn't know what to do with the rest of
the file and it gets lost in never-never land.  In the CONFIG.SYS file the
BUFFERS = 99 (the recommended number for the 286 machine I am running) and
FILES = 50.
     The AUTOEXEC.BAT file contains the following lines: PATH
C:\;C:\DOS;C:\LANTASTI;C:\LANTASTI.NET\ROOT;C:\MENU;C:\PCTOOLS MIRROR C: /TC
MIRROR D: MIRROR E: LANBIOS2 RAMBASE=D000 REDIR HOST SHARE SERVER NET LOGIN
\\HOST manager manager NET USE C: \\HOST\ROOT NET USE LPT1 \\HOST\@PRINT2 NET
QUEUE START \\HOST NET LPT TIMEOUT 10 Does anyone have any ideas about a
possible solution?  I am in Fort Worth, Texas and can be reached at (817)
485-7397 (collect).  John Horn " Anyone with a suggestion could either call my
brother or leave me a message either here or via Email. Jim

#: 626 S2/Artisoft
    22-Apr-91  23:36:21
Sb: 6300/AE-2 Problem
Fm: Mark Robinson/RAMS Micro 70244,3011
To:  75300,1377

Thanks for the suggestions... Called your Tech Support line this morning and
the rep found a ref. to a note posted on CIS in 11/89 that suggested a BIOS
update was needed.  Mine was dated 7/84 so that seems likely.  You'll hear
from me if it doesn't work :-).
                        - Mark




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#: 663 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  12:28:59
Sb: #613-Lantastic wiring?
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: Ed Thieberger 73520,617 (X)

OK Ed!

Rog.


#: 661 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  11:50:34
Sb: #601-International Lantastic
Fm: David Hacking 76247,2421
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks again Rick.  I want to find out for sure that Lantastic really displays
Japanese characters on the screen.  Do you have a name and a number that I
could call at American Technologies to ask them if the translated software
does this?

Appreciate the information, David H.



#: 675 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  13:23:24
Sb: #601-International Lantastic
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick -
        How do you translate ethernet packets into Japanese??? <G>
                -cjh

#: 687 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  20:01:02
Sb: #547-IDE drives/AMI BIOS
Fm: Roger Loeb 74666,355
To: Harry A. Gardner 73727,3115

Harry,

Thanks for the input.  I was about to put a 200mb Maxstor in my machine with a
03/03/89 AMI BIOS.  That's what raised the issue.  The original vendor of the
machine will update the BIOS, so I think I'll do that FIRST.

ROG





#: 688 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  20:01:07
Sb: #586-IDE drives/AMI BIOS
Fm: Roger Loeb 74666,355
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

Thank you.  That's just the info I needed!

ROG




#: 652 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  09:45:19
Sb: #624-#SPOOLER/BUFFER CONFLICT
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: JimHorn[VETFORUM] 76703,603 (X)

Jim

First, have your brother get rid of mirror, it is incompatable with LANtastic.
Next see if the program can print to a file, have it print to a file and then
copy the file to the printer without the network running.  If this is a serial
printer and he is using NOS 3.0x make sure that the handshaking is correct in
the server defination in net_mgr. Will powering the printer off and then on
(clearing the buffer).  I would also reccommend rebuilding the print queue,
this can be done from within net_mgr if you have nos 3.0x or by deleteing the
qcontrol file and reinstalling lantastic. Right now this does not really
appear to be a Network problem, I would suspect something is wrong with the
printer or the parallel port, the above tests will let us know either way.

Rick Roth

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#: 659 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  10:37:34
Sb: #652-SPOOLER/BUFFER CONFLICT
Fm: JimHorn[VETFORUM] 76703,603
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick, I do not have a clue to what you are telling Big 'Bubba, cause HE is the
"computer expert" in the family.  It certainly sounds reasonable from my
rather superficial point of view. 'Bubba would say on ALL matters, while I
hastily add the view relates to the subject at hand.  THANX!  Jim

#: 653 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  10:11:07
Sb: #Performance problem (a)
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rich Roth 76050,1210

Rick,
     I have downloaded the LANtastic Bulletins and have read "Common problems
and remedies for LANtastic, as well as "Network throughput issues, "speeding
up" NOS.  I am still unable to speed up the workstation processing speed.
Following your instructions, I ran the install program again to create the
default resources.  When I came to the screen to set default resources, the
message "creating default resource list" appeared on my screen.  Below this
message, @mail, @printer, A-Drive, C-Drive, D-Drive appeared with the suffix
-- "already exits";  also, "user account already exists."   But when I looked
at network resources, neither the C-Drive, nor the D-Drive appeared.
     I typed "NET_MGR (enter) and then tried to add the server resource named
C-Drive by hand.  I pressed the INS key and typed the name C-Drive and pressed
ENTER, then I typed in the drive C: and pressed ENTER.  At this point, I got
the error message:  "Access Denied."
     Frustrated by this, I removed all of the files in LANtasti directory.
Once more I installed the program fresh only to find the users identified
before deleting the files in LANtasti are still there. This is confusing.



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#: 664 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  12:52:46
Sb: #653-Performance problem (a)
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207

Harold

Download the file wipela.zip from the library, or alternately use a disk
utility like nortons, pctools, or xtree to delete all the hidden files and
directories in the lantasti.net directory.  Now you will have a clean slate
and can begin the install again.

Rick Roth

#: 654 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  10:11:18
Sb: Performance problem (b)
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rich Roth 76050,1210

Performance problem continues (b)
     I am using, with some modifications, the sample Server Autoexec.bat and
sample Autoexec.bat for a workstation that boots from A floppy.  The files
are:

     Server                                  Workstation Path
C:\;C:\DOS;C:\LANTASTI;C:\VF       PATH A:\LANTASTI LANBIOS2 IRQ=2
LANBIOS2 IRQ=2 SHARE                                   REDIR IBM REDIR DELL
LOGINS=2                     REDIR BUFFERS=4 LANCACHE
NET USE C: \\DELL\C-DRIVE FASTOPEN C:=10                          NET USE LPT1
\\DELL\@PRINTER SERVER                                  PATH
C:;C:\DOS;A:\LANTASTI;C:\VF NET LOGIN/WAIT \\DELL USER              NET LPT
TIMEOUT 10 NET USE LPT1 \\DELL\@PRINTER            NET SHOW NET LPT TIMEOUT 1
SET USER_NAME=USER NET SHOW                                C: C:
CD \FDO CD \fdo                                 AUTOEXEC.BAT AUTOEXEC.BAT

       The FDO -- Fixed Disk Organizer" -- exists on the server.  The customer
uses this as a menu screen that performs various functions: backup, restore,
out to DOS, etc.



#: 655 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  10:11:26
Sb: #Performance problem (c)
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rich Roth 76050,1210

Performance problem continues (c),

     Processing on the server (DELL 386 SX) is very fast and the customer is
quite please with its performance.  Adding the FASTOPEN and LANCACHE did
wonders for the person using the server.  As you pointed out, these two
features add nothing to the workstation's (IBM 286) performance.  I have added
the "REDIR BUFFERS=4" command line to the workstation's batch file.  There was
a slight improvement, but not enough for the user.
     Have you any other suggestions?  Do you think it's best that I call
technical support and work through this problem while setting at the
customer's computer?





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#: 665 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  12:52:55
Sb: #655-Performance problem (c)
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207

Harold

I can just add general comments at this point everything appears to be set up
correctly, I would reccommend using irq=10 or 15 on both computers rather
irq=2.  I also would remove the fdo and use one of the compatable menu
programs.  Now everything is relative, a workstation will never be as fast as
a server, with a 2mbps system the disk access will never be as fast as a local
hard drive.  Please what applications are you haveing trouble with?  What is
slow?

Rick Roth

#: 679 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  15:19:51
Sb: #ACCPAC Plus/Adv Revltion
Fm: Mike Watkins <CAI> 70020,1033
To: All

I have a client site running Lantasic, AE2 adaptors, thin net, on a variety of
286 and 386 machines. They are having problems with ACCPAC Plus Windowing
System Manager / LanPak.

ACCPAC and its data files are on a ALR 386/25 Mhz machine configured as a
server - no problems running ACCPAC on this machine.  Similarily, no problems
running ACCPAC off this server from a Samsung 386/SX also configured as a
server.

However, every AST Premium 286 in the shop with a mono/herc video card has
problems running ACCPAC (and an Advanced Revalation application as well).
These machines attempt to read the executable file but seemingly after a
variable amount of the file being read by the remote workstation, the w/s
hangs with the double tone 'informational tone'.

I tried swapping AE2 adaptors, DOS versions, net cable connections,  etc etc
ad nauseum between working machines and these AST 286s with no success.

Interestingly, one Premium 286 was outfitted with a NEC Monograph monitor and
a NEC proprietory video interface. This machine was identical in every other
respect to the other machines that fail, yet it was able to run ACCPAC
remotely.

It seems to make no difference whether the workstation is configured as a w/s
only or a server.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Mike

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#: 683 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  17:25:36
Sb: #679-ACCPAC Plus/Adv Revltion
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Mike Watkins <CAI> 70020,1033

Mike

Try xcopying a large number of files from the server to one of the work
stations and then back.  If your system hangs in the xcopy also,  I would
suspect that you will need to move jumper w8 from position a to position b. Do
this in all the AST's.  This timer is for nonstandard bus timing and is
normally required on all AST's.

Rick Roth

#: 686 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  19:29:45
Sb: LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Bill Fuller (TEK Systems 71550,1765
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

LANtastic has been presented to me as an alternative to Novell. It is less
expensive to install, easier to administer, and its performance is as good.
Is this correct?

Question 2:  If a customer installed your product and then later desired to
install Novell so that they could interface with another product which only
"talks Novell" would they be able to create a server/server gateway from
LANtastic?

Question 3:
   Both the 2Mbps and the 10Mbps adapters are available.  Can they
   coexist on the same net?  Which if any will work in an 8 bit bus?

Question 4:
   What is the limit on user count performing simple transactions
   with applications in Clipper or the like.  Using a 386-25 server?
   just a guess is good enough

Thanks for you information Bill



#: 689 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  20:33:26
Sb: Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Paul Hardy 74610,1023
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

What's the difference between RG58AU and RG58CU cable? How can I tell if I
have communication grade rather than data grade?? My cables cost me 800yen
each ($6) from the junk shop and, at the moment, work flawlessly. Maybe
there's no copper in them and the boards are just shouting at each other...



#: 690 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  20:33:37
Sb: Welcome
Fm: Paul Hardy 74610,1023
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

Nice to see you in a fixed location on CIS. I've been used to seeing
messages from you pop up all over CIS saying "we can do that" <g>. I just
saw Network Eye in operation and the thought of spying (ahem, helping people
without their problems) without having to get out of my executive genuine
Naugahyde seat with 4 or the 5 wheels still there but only one armrest was
just too much for me. My copy is winging its way to me at this very moment:
USA-Osaka customs 1 day, Osaka customs-my office 3 days.

Interesting byte-to-dollar ratio there: no matter how good software is,
people still look at the size of the files. I strongly suggest Artisoft
invest in a pessimizing compiler (like optimizing, only the other way) to
increase the perceived value!

Paul



#: 692 S2/Artisoft
    23-Apr-91  21:02:36
Sb: Greetings!
Fm: robert brown 72311,3346
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,
  Since I was 'in the neighborhood', I decided to stop in to say 'hi' here on
Compuserve.  So much information, so little time... Robert Brown, Seacliff

#: 711 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  00:25:07
Sb: AE2 and Interrupts
Fm: Craig Colvin 74055,453
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

Hi I'm considering purchase of Lantastic and AE2 boards and have 2
questions.

1) Does the AE2 board require a dedicated interrupt? Currently my system makes
use of all interrupts 0 to 7 and I have to constantly swap boards to perform
special tasks. Is the AE2 board going to be another board that I'm going to
have to swap?

2) Does Lantastic work with Windows 3.0 and with OS/2 1.3? Are there any
gotchas I need to watch out for?

Thanks for any info you gave give.

-- Craig Colvin




#: 0 S0/Forum Announcement
    25-Apr-91   12:11:33
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
To:

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#: 728 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  12:15:53
Sb: #687-#IDE drives/AMI BIOS
Fm: Harry A. Gardner 73727,3115
To: Roger Loeb 74666,355 (X)

You're probably aware of this, but there's a newer 200MB Maxtor, the LX213A,
that gives you more storage than the old LX200A (211 MB vs 191 or so, I
think).  Make sure your HD vendor gets you the new one <g>.



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#: 767 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  23:25:48
Sb: #728-IDE drives/AMI BIOS
Fm: Roger Loeb 74666,355
To: Harry A. Gardner 73727,3115

Yup, I know about the <<new>> 200mb MaxStor.  Got one right here :-)

ROG




#: 774 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  07:37:43
Sb: #664-Performance problem (a)
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,
       I have Nortons utilities, but since the setup up is correct I will
leave it alone.  I will rememeber this in future installation.  I always want
to thank you for working with me in trying to resolve this problem. The more I
learn about LANtasti, the less I feel that the degradation in performance is
associated with the LAN.  The customer is using VersaForm database that has
been customized by at least three different programmers. I am not all surprise
that none of the programmers are willing to work with the software any longer.
There is no documenation for their work that makes troubleshooting a stab in
the dark.  I will contact Applied Software Technology, the developers of
VersaForm, to get them to work with me in exploring a solution to this
problem.



#: 775 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  07:37:51
Sb: #665-#Performance problem (c)
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,
       I will use IRQ=10 or 15 on both computers instead of IRQ=2;  and will
remove the FDO from the workstation.  Before doing anything else, I will
revisit this issue with the software developers.  Apparently, there is a
process that writes transaction from the workstation to the server's hard
disk.  This is where the bottle occurs.  I have learned that person using the
workstation will entry as many of 50 transactions before saving.  The software
accumulates transactions until there are no more for a specific record.
Ending the transactions for a specific record is when the locks are all
released.  This is where the bottleneck occurs for the workstation.  I wonder
if the 10mbps will help resolve this bottleneck?  Again, I will contact the
software developers to get their opinion.  Once again, thank you for working
with me on this.  I'll give you an update later.



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#: 786 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  11:24:48
Sb: #775-Performance problem (c)
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207

Harold

This sounds like you may also have a problem with the number of share locks,
dos share defaults to 20 locks, some applications if they cannot get another
lock will just sit until one becomes available, not giving an error message.
You can increase the number of available locks on the server with the command:

share /l:2000

If you are using dos 4.01 share should be installed in the config.sys file.

Rick Roth

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#: 722 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  09:57:32
Sb: #686-LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Bill Fuller (TEK Systems 71550,1765

Bill -
        I am a LANtastic dealer, but I also support Novell. Not knowing much
about your situation, perhaps I can give you an unbiased opinion.
        LANtastic is cheaper and easier to administer, but its performance is
not as good. It is within the realm of acceptable to many people. It is
certainly not a dog. Like any other LAN there are a great many things to tweak
to get the best performance.
        Database work (i.e. Clipper) will be the hardest thing on the net
since it requires constant reads and writes to disk. As well as file and
record locking.
        If you got the 10Mbps (Ethernet) cards you could use those on a Novell
network should you decide that the LANtastic is too slow or should you outgrow
it.
        The 10Mbps cards will run on an 8-bit bus. I don't know about the
2Mbps since I think they are worthless. For the price difference (especially
if you are talking about database work) go with the ethernet. You will buy
necessary speed and flexibility. (IMHO)
        Question 4 depends on the speed of the workstations and traffic.
There is no cut and dried answer. You are starting off with a good server
though. One serious performance issue is to not use the server as a
workstation. I know that LANtastic provides that ability, but it will slow
down the network.
        Good luck.
                -cjh

#: 731 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  13:39:34
Sb: #686-LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Bill Fuller (TEK Systems 71550,1765

Bill

Lantastic is much easier to install, and is nearly transparent to the end
user, the adminstration once a system is set up is typically1 hr per month,
mostly adding new users and new applications.  With a dedicated server
lantastic is as fast as Novell.  With a non dedicated server performance is
less, depending on the applications you are running on the server.

There are currently NO Novell/Lantstic Gateways. Novell and Lantastic can
exist on the same ethernet backbone.

The 10 mbps adapter is a standard ethernet card, the 2bmps is proprietary.
Both can exist in the same computer, but not on the same network.  Both cards
will work in either an 8 or 16 bit buss, the ethernet card is a true 16bit
card, while the 2mbps card is an 8bit card that uses irq 10 and 15.

The AE2 card is novell ne2000 compatable and can be used with any network that
supports the NE2000 card.

The limit on users depends on the application and the applications you are
running on the server.  We are running about 30 full time users and 50 more
part time users on a clipper application with a dedicated server with no
appreciable slow down.

Rick Roth

#: 732 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  13:39:47
Sb: #689-Longer ethernet cable
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Paul Hardy 74610,1023 (X)

Paul

RG58a/uis UL type 60c with a 2.9 mm Polyethylene insulation and core OD. The
sheilds are tinned copper with 96% sheild coverage.  The cable has a black pcv
jacket.

RG58C/u is ul type 80c with a 2.95 mm polyethylene insulation and core OD. The
sheilds are tinned copper with a 95% sheild coverage.  The cable has a black
non-contamination PVC jacket.

Both have a nominal attenuation of 4.9 db/100'.

Communicatin grade is a/u or c/u TYPE with different core and sheld, the
jackets are either black or white pcv.  The nominal attenuation is 4.5 db/100'

Rick Roth

#: 733 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  13:39:53
Sb: #690-Welcome
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Paul Hardy 74610,1023 (X)

Paul

You must remember that our mascot is the TINY RAM. He would turn over in his
sleep at the thought ;-).

Rick Roth

#: 734 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  13:39:58
Sb: #692-Greetings!
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: robert brown 72311,3346

Robert

Nice to see you here.  Don't forget our favorite bbs though.

Rick Roth

#: 735 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  13:40:07
Sb: #711-AE2 and Interrupts
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Craig Colvin 74055,453 (X)

Craig

The ae2 cards require a dedicated interupt, they do support irq 10 and 15 if
you have an at.

Lantastic works well with windows, the only consideration is that you can not
run windows in the enchanced mode on a server.  It will work in the real and
standard modes on a server and in the real, standard, and enhanced mode on a
work station.

Lantasic does not currently support OS2 at all.

Rick Roth

#: 736 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  14:14:18
Sb: #Lantastic
Fm: Roman Wojtow 76346,1674
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

I have been hearing alot about Lantastic and was wondering if I could get some
information about the product.

Roman

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#: 751 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  17:34:55
Sb: #736-Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roman Wojtow 76346,1674

Roman

If you will leave me an email message with your name and address I will send
you a sales literature kit.

In a nutshell, Lantastic is a small fast peer-peer network that affords the
full functionality of a larger network at a much lower price per node and with
the added convience of being Dos based.

Rick Roth

sn

#: 744 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  16:42:36
Sb: #Lantastic modem bridge
Fm: Robert Fenchel 76702,1304
To: All

We have multiple geographic locations each running their own LANTASTIC
network.  I'd like to find a way for the networks to be interconnected via
phone lines.  I would envision that one network dial-up another network when a
remote file was accessed etc.  The connection would terminate and be
re-established when again required.

Any suggestions?

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#: 752 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  17:41:02
Sb: #744-Lantastic modem bridge
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Robert Fenchel 76702,1304 (X)

Robert

Cross Communications is supposed to have just such a beast, their number is
303-444-7799.

Rick Roth

#: 753 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  18:08:36
Sb: #Cche question
Fm: Ed Feins 70160,310
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

When running a cache (I use either Super-PC-Kwik or HYPER-DISK) they can be
loaded EITHER from config.sys _or_ autoexec.bat.  What is the "proper" place
for loading a cache with under Lantastic if I have either choice from above.
(Using the AE2).

Another question .. the "add'l ram" option for the AE-2.  If I run a small 2
lines network would it be of any significance ??  (make that 2 station
network).  What would the ram upgrade do for me ??  Would it reduce the system
load if the server is in use backing up to tape while a ws access it?



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#: 784 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  11:24:26
Sb: #753-Cche question
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ed Feins 70160,310

Ed

I normally would the cache in the config.sys file, there are many advantages
to loading a device rather than a tsr.  One of the biggest is the extra memroy
you will save.

The additional ram should only be used on a large network that is getting many
resource exhausts on the server.  At this point the ram is useful, it normally
will slow a network down.

Rick Roth

#: 759 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  19:55:39
Sb: #VerticalMarkets DB's
Fm: Sean Baxter 76044,1173
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

        I am glad to see Artisoft on Compuserve.  I am an independent
consultant and my clients are small businesses.  I specialize in Novell &
Lantastic networks.  I really like Lantastic because of its cost and
performance over Novell in small (2 to 4 users)  installations.

        There have been a number of occations lately where the installation
went to Novell beacuse the vertical database application supported Novell.
Lantastic had not been tested by the software vendor.  Many times I would hear
that a client had the database running on Lantatic, but at their own risk (the
vendors says).  In particular Byte of Art (Gallery) and Pins (Law) software
are only fully supported on a Novell network.  The client has to pay $X,000's
more because of this fact.  If Artisoft could somehow expedite the testing or
the assisting of vendors for these vertical market databases, it could mean a
lot more sales for Lantastic.

>> Sean <<

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#: 785 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  11:24:37
Sb: #759-VerticalMarkets DB's
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Sean Baxter 76044,1173

Sean

We do have net compatability testing department, we esentially test a product
based on number of requests.  We recently have been certified as dBase IV
compatable and are now on the list of supported networks.  We have many
products listed as compatable that the manufactures state are not compatable
or they do not support.  A big roadblock is the willingness of the
manufacturer to work with us to become compatable, and to support us after.

Rick Roth

#: 760 S2/Artisoft
    24-Apr-91  20:18:18
Sb: Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

Everything runs MSDOS 4.01
Server 386sx/16 w/cached ESDI:
Config.sys
   device=Qemm396.sys (thoroughly qemm analyzed)    install share /l:128
/f:4096
   buffers=32
   files=10
   stacks=0,0
   device=ramdrive.sys 512 /A
Autoexec.bat
   loadhi files=100
   loadhi fcbs=16,8
   loadhi ae2 irq=15
   loadhi ailanbio
   redir srv_sd /logins=3 /size=8192 /buffers=2
   server /logins=3
   set (a few envir. variables)
   lastdrive=Z

Workstation 386/25
Config.sys
   shell=c:\command.com /e:170 /p
   device=qemm386.sys (also analyzed)
   install share /l:128 /f:4096
   loadhi astdsk.drv 3
   loadhi driver.sys /d:2 /f:7 /s:18 (for my E: floppy)
   buffers=32
   files=10
   stacks=0,0
   device=ramdrive.sys 1024 /A
   lastdrive=z

Heres what happens: (99files in subdir D and J. D=Wkstn D:\MLT\MSTK J=Server
D:\MLT\MSTK.  All actions from Wkstn with no other server activity)
   I. Start net.  No Desqview.  comp D J                        ok
        xcopy J D                       ok
        comp J D                        ok
   II. Start DV. Load Bigdos in first window.  Largest avail memory 549K
conventional. 544K expanded.
        Three above commands all worked ok as in I.
   III. Start my usual Desqview windows.  Manifest in window 9 shows 21 open
files of 100, 0 FCBS of 16.  Window memory 535K. Close Manifest.  Open BigDos
in window 9.
        comp D J                        mismatch errors (this is the problem
!!!!)
        close windows in reverse order
        third window (Multiplan) wont close except with ctl-alt-del
     second window (DB4) hangs wkstn when quit is entered.
   IV. Reboot Wkstn. Logon to srvr. No Desqview.
        comp D J                        ok
        detach server
        md T
        xcopy D*.* T            (all 99 files)
        comp D T                        ok
   V.  Start Desqview. Still not attached to server.    Open same (as far as
possible- cant open DB4 without the net)  number of windows (8).   Manifest
shows 14 files open, 0 fcbs.
        comp D T                        ok
        xcopy T D                       ok
        comp    T D                     ok

The Comp mismatches are not the only problem when I use Desqview DOS in a high
window.  I've had actual miscopies using XCOPY.  HELP!

Ken





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#: 891 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  23:43:45
Sb: #722-LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Bill Fuller (TEK Systems 71550,1765
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Thanks for the input, especially since you see both sides.

#: 811 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  21:28:01
Sb: #731-#LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Linda East 76264,1440
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick

I'm new to this forum and LAN |-}, and I'm glad your here!  I'm "The" Computer
Tech...for a small business machine company in the Mid-South.  We only started
doing anything in computers about a year ago--I know--I'm trying to get them
out of the dark ages but it is hard.  Anyway to get to the point---> We have
to make a school bid and it specifies:

Lantastic Network 2-User Starter Kit including: Ethernet Communication Cards
Cable Terminators 15' Coaxial Cable Network Operating Software on 360K
Diskette Compatible with IBM PC/XT/AT Computers

Can I assume that the " AE-2 Ethernet Starter Kit " is this animal? If so what
is list price, does it contain all these items...if not where can I get them,
what do I ask for and do you have an installation manual for Beginners!!!

Any help is truly appreciated.  Oh Yeah- we have to have the bid in by
4/26/91, 1:00 PM.  My boss doesn't like to get in a hurry as you can see.
Thanks Linda



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#: 860 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:26:11
Sb: #811-LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Linda East 76264,1440 (X)

Linda

Sorry to get back so late. The AE2 starter kit is just that beast and it's
retail cost is $699.  I do not know of any books specifically on lantastic,
but sereral others have posted the titles of their favorite general Network
books .

Rick Roth

#: 813 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  21:28:16
Sb: #731-LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Linda East 76264,1440
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

REP 731 L;Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377;LAN NETWORKING Rick

I'm new to this forum and LAN |-}, and I'm glad your here!  I'm "The" Computer
Tech...for a small business machine company in the Mid-South.  We only started
doing anything in computers about a year ago--I know--I'm trying to get them
out of the dark ages but it is hard.  Anyway to get to the point---> We have
to make a school bid and it specifies:

Lantastic Network 2-User Starter Kit including: Ethernet Communication Cards
Cable Terminators 15' Coaxial Cable Network Operating Software on 360K
Diskette Compatible with IBM PC/XT/AT Computers

Can I assume that the " AE-2 Ethernet Starter Kit " is this animal? If so what
is list price, does it contain all these items...if not where can I get them,
what do I ask for and do you have an installation manual for Beginners!!!

Any help is truly appreciated.  Oh Yeah- we have to have the bid in by
4/26/91, 1:00 PM.  My boss doesn't like to get in a hurry as you can see.
Thanks Linda



#: 832 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  04:25:42
Sb: #744-#Lantastic modem bridge
Fm: Michael Kocum 70143,1667
To: Robert Fenchel 76702,1304 (X)

I have the same problem too. So if you hear anything that solves this problem,
please let me know.

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#: 846 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  12:08:21
Sb: #832-Lantastic modem bridge
Fm: Robert Fenchel 76702,1304
To: Michael Kocum 70143,1667 (X)

Cross Communications Company 303-444-7799 has something, but it seems more
like an internetwork Carbon Copy than actual resource sharing across networks.
They are apparently developing a true bridge, but it is a few months down the
road.

I expect to hear more from them next week.  You might give them a call too.

#: 805 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  17:52:31
Sb: #784-#Cche question
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick, I've got the extra ram on my AE2's with only 2 nodes.  Would I
be better off without it?

Ken Malkin

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#: 857 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:25:43
Sb: #805-Cche question
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

You most likely will, reports have it that the system is about 10% slower with
the extra ram than without it on a lightly loaded system.  The place the extra
ram is best is if the system is very heavily loaded the resource exhausts are
in the 5 to 10% range on the server, then you will see a performance boost
using the extra memory.

Rick Roth

#: 817 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  21:59:05
Sb: #784-#Cche question
Fm: Juan C. Valido 72406,611
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Funny you should say that about the additional memory assuming that you're
talking about the AE2 ethernet cards, I got a big boost loading my slowest
loaders on the workstation (WordPerfect and dBASE IV). I only have 2 stations
(Server and Workstation) and I can actually see the improvement...



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#: 858 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:25:52
Sb: #817-#Cche question
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Juan C. Valido 72406,611 (X)

Juan

Several benchmarks have shown the slowdown.  Benchmarks are not always
accurate though, probably the best advice is avoid it unless you have a great
many resource exhausts, on the other hand, the chips are cheap, try it and
test for your self. But test it don't assume that the upgrade will help.

Rick Roth

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#: 897 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  03:06:53
Sb: #858-Cche question
Fm: Juan C. Valido 72406,611
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

You're right about the benchmarks, I only ran Norton's sysinfo and it did show
a slowdown but in my case the thing that I find most annoying in a network
enviroment is slow loading programs. As long as my slow loaders load fast and
everything feels right, I don't really care if the overall performance went
down a notch. BTW, on dedicated servers, what gives better performance? Login
them in to the network or not? TIA.



#: 804 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  17:43:04
Sb: #Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

Everything runs MSDOS 4.01
Server 386sx/16 w/cached ESDI:
Config.sys
   device=Qemm396.sys (thoroughly qemm analyzed)    install share /l:128
/f:4096
   buffers=32
   files=10
   stacks=0,0
   device=ramdrive.sys 512 /A
Autoexec.bat
   loadhi files=100
   loadhi fcbs=16,8
   loadhi ae2 irq=15
   loadhi ailanbio
   redir srv_sd /logins=3 /size=8192 /buffers=2
   server /logins=3
   set (a few envir. variables)
   lastdrive=Z

Workstation 386/25
Config.sys
   shell=c:\command.com /e:170 /p
   device=qemm386.sys (also analyzed)
   install share /l:128 /f:4096
   loadhi astdsk.drv 3
   loadhi driver.sys /d:2 /f:7 /s:18 (for my E: floppy)
   buffers=32
   files=10
   stacks=0,0
   device=ramdrive.sys 1024 /A
   lastdrive=z

Heres what happens: (99files in subdir D and J. D=Wkstn D:\MLT\MSTK J=Server
D:\MLT\MSTK.  All actions from Wkstn with no other server activity)
   I. Start net.  No Desqview.  comp D J                        ok
        xcopy J D                       ok
        comp J D                        ok
   II. Start DV. Load Bigdos in first window.  Largest avail memory 549K
conventional. 544K expanded.
        Three above commands all worked ok as in I.
   III. Start my usual Desqview windows.  Manifest in window 9 shows 21 open
files of 100, 0 FCBS of 16.  Window memory 535K. Close Manifest.  Open BigDos
in window 9.
        comp D J                        mismatch errors (this is the problem
!!!!)
        close windows in reverse order
        third window (Multiplan) wont close except with ctl-alt-del
     second window (DB4) hangs wkstn when quit is entered.
   IV. Reboot Wkstn. Logon to srvr. No Desqview.
        comp D J                        ok
        detach server
        md T
        xcopy D*.* T            (all 99 files)
        comp D T                        ok
   V.  Start Desqview. Still not attached to server.    Open same (as far as
possible- cant open DB4 without the net)  number of windows (8).   Manifest
shows 14 files open, 0 fcbs.
        comp D T                        ok
        xcopy T D                       ok
        comp    T D                     ok

The Comp mismatches are not the only problem when I use Desqview DOS in a high
window.  I've had actual miscopies using XCOPY.  HELP!

Ken


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#: 807 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  18:05:30
Sb: #804-#Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Rick, a couple of more things--

The problem ALWAYS occurs if there is more than one window open in
Desqview- i.e. if Comp is done in any but the first window.  It seems
definately to be a memory confilict since it locks up most anything  in the
OTHER window after it fails and the Bigdos window is closed.   I've QEMM
analyzed over and over-- even excluded F000-FFFF and avoided shadow rom/ram
entirely.  Nothing has helped.

Ken


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#: 856 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:25:34
Sb: #807-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

Is comp failing or is the xcopy failing and comp just revealing this?  If you
xcopy the files with desq running, and then comp without do you still get the
failure?

I will need to file a problem report and see if we can duplicate this,  To do
this I will need DOS ver and MFG, motherboard revision if available, dews
version #, video board type, hd controller type & manufacturer.

Rick Roth

#: 808 S2/Artisoft
    25-Apr-91  18:17:54
Sb: #Moving files
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

I've been useing a utility called REDIR to move files from one subdirectory to
another.  From what I've read here about FAT's et al I suppose that's a bad
idea on the Lan even if your moving within one computer.  One of my dBase apps
has:
  Run c:\utils\redir d:\db\*.slk d:\mlt

I noted that it put these files in the wrong subdirectory last time it ran.
Is there any network safe move utility I can run from withi dbase or at the
C>?

I did move files today with Norton Commander (on your list as approved)  with
no ill effects, but I was the only one using the files.  Of course, this is
from within that program, not at the C> so would not be useful from within
dbase.

Ken

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#: 859 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:26:02
Sb: #808-Moving files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

It depends on how the actual move is accomplished, Norton, PCTools, and Xtree
have all been tested and found safe.  Another may or may not be. Many of the
move utilities on the market are just glorified copy and delete combined
others just change directory entrys and to not touch the FAT, these should be
safe, I would not use anyone that actually manipulates the fat.

Rick Roth

#: 829 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  00:16:06
Sb: #WordPerfect hang up
Fm: Mark Gordon 72550,2247
To: all

Just to let you know we had a problem running WordPerfect on a Lantastic 2mbs
network. WordPerfect would work fine until we tried to R)etrieve a file.  It
would just hang up.  The keyboard would work and we could write all over the
screen but the program was dead in thewater.  The computer is a Minisys 286
from Trans PC Systems, [phone].  It uses an AMD12mhz 80286 and a
Headland Technology Single Chip AT set with a 1990 AMI Bios. The culprit ,ta
da, the HT12EMS.SYS EMS device driver that came with the computer.  We still
have to play around with some of the memory locations that are user assignable
but, as soon as we took that out of our CONFIG.SYS WordPerfect was a happy
puppy.  I know that WordPerfect uses EMS memory if it thinks it's available
and obviously there was a memory conflict between the driver and Lantastic so
that EMS was getting trashed.  We were using the default locations for the
Lantastic card.  Any thoughts on how we can use the EMS device driver or any
EMS device driver that we can use.

Thanks..

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#: 861 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:26:18
Sb: #829-#WordPerfect hang up
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Mark Gordon 72550,2247 (X)

Mark

Qemm and 386 To The Max are listed as compatable.  Make sure that you do not
load buffers high no matter what one you use.

Rick Roth

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#: 893 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  01:06:33
Sb: #861-WordPerfect hang up
Fm: Chuck Welman 73126,1037
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Mark, 'scuse me for jumping in here, but I run QEMM386 on an AST 386 and Blue
MAX (PS/2 specific version of 386MAX) on an IBM PS/2 model 80, each are
server/workstations and run WP5.1 with no problems at all. It DOES help if you
play around with QEMM, using the marvelous program MANIFEST that's included
with QEMM, to "load high" as much of LANtastic as possible (One caution --
DON't even think about loading LANcache high!).  LANtastic is a superb
network, very forgiving and doesn't take up much RAM if you can load high.
Regards, Chuck

#: 896 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  02:32:36
Sb: #861-WordPerfect hang up
Fm: Mark Gordon 72550,2247
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks for the quick reply. Question, can QEMM be used on a 286 machine.
That's what the Mini-Sys is.

Mark

#: 831 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  03:40:23
Sb: #Acces Denied
Fm: Cliff Court 76645,177
To: All

I have a version 2 Lantastic (I'm waiting to {pdate to 3) and I'm having some
problemswith handling database files. I use Clarion and it ha s data and
keyfiles. Sometimes, for no apparant reason, Lantastic give{ back an access
denied error on one of the files. This usually occur swhen connecting to 2 or
more servers. I had a problem with the .EXE files and sharing but making them
read-only s{lved this problem. I can 't do that witht he data and key files!

Any help will be appreciated.

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#: 862 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:26:28
Sb: #831-Acces Denied
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Cliff Court 76645,177

Cliff

Check out the share command, it should be run on the server but not on the
workstations.  With dos 4.01 share should be loaded in the config.sys file
with the install command, using a database I would reccommend at least 250
locks, this is done with the /l: switch, ie install=c:\dos\share /l:250. With
other versions of dos it can be loaded in the autoexec.bat but again use at
least 250 locks.

Rick Roth

#: 839 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  07:34:03
Sb: #Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: Rick Roth  [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

I am about to set up a six node network in our Plant.  I've choosen
Lantastic for a number of reasons, and have already set up a four node
"development" network using your product.

One problem, five of the nodes are going to be in one building and
represent no major wiring hassels, but the sixth node will be located in
another building approx. 500 feet away.  All of the cabling between the
buildings is twisted pair and is under ground.  My Plant Engineer refuses to
run a dedicated ethernet cable and informed me that an Arcnet HUB is already
installed and working using UTP.

Ok heres the question, In order to connect this network the sixth node will
have to be Arcnet so do I have to install (2) Arcnet boards?  One in the node
tahts going to connect with the HUB and another in the sixth node?  I'm
already familiar with the Adapter Independent LANBIOS!  Will this
configuration of adapters degrade network perfomance?

Also, I would like to brigde my development network to the new one.    Can you
tell me what kind of hardware/software is required to accomplish this?  I'm
currently using thin ethernet cabling.

I have another question that is totally unrelated to the above.  Can you
access modems through lantastic?  I currently have one node with a modem on
COM4 and would love to access it through workstations.


Any help would greatly appreciated!!!

Hunter

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#: 849 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  12:49:21
Sb: #839-#Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Mel Masuda 72707,1660
To: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504 (X)

Procomm has a network version of their comm software.  GO DATASTORM and ask
the sysops if it'll work with Lantastic.

                                                 - Mel




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#: 872 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  17:36:49
Sb: #849-Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Mel Masuda 72707,1660 (X)

Mel

Their versions will work IF you use a third party serial port redirector like
the ones from Cross Communication, J&L Information, or Concept Development.

Rick Roth

#: 879 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  18:21:59
Sb: #849-Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: Mel Masuda 72707,1660 (X)

Mel,

I'll check it out!!
Thanks for your help.

Hunter

#: 863 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:26:41
Sb: #839-#Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504 (X)

Hunter

Unfortuneatly Lantasic does not support any bridges or routers, you can set up
a 2 node network using the arcnet cards and have a ethernet card in one that
is attached to an ethernet network.  This will give you a 5 node network and a
2 node network that have a serer in common, but not a 6 node network.

There are several products that will allow you to share a modem across the
network.  Three compatable ones are Sparkle from Concept Development,
LAN+Modem from Cross Communications, and NCS from J&L Information.  Demo
versions of the last two are available for download from the library section
of this forum. Look for LANMOD.zip and NETEVA.zip. in library 2.

Rick Roth

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#: 878 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  18:20:45
Sb: #863-Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Thanks for the info!! I'll check out the demos.

Hunter





#: 841 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  09:07:21
Sb: #WHICH LAN TO USE?
Fm: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747
To: Anyone

I need some advise. I have put it off as long as possible but it is time to
put in a LAN. Ecch! I am using Desqview on one of the P.C's along with 386MAX.
The LAN mus must be capable of the following: 1. Compat. with DesqView 2.
Compat. with 386MAX. 3. Ability to "load into high ram" via 386max (small tsr)
4. Ability to retain std. disk formatting. 5. Utilities like PCtools should
still work. I have heard a lot about "Lantastic" is it good or do you have to
use Novell which I have heard is a pain in the butt. Also I do not want to
have on pc dedicated to a server. Just the ability to share data files.

 Any hel would be greaty appreciated! ARCH WILLINGHAM




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#: 855 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:25:24
Sb: #841-WHICH LAN TO USE?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747

Arch

Lantastic is a dos based peer to peer network, this means that any computer
can be a server, the file format is standard dos so all your normal dos tools
will still work on the servers hard drive(you cannot use any tool that
directly manipulates the FAT with the network running).

Desq can run on any workstation on the network but not on a server.  We are
fully compatable with 386ttm but to use the maximize program you MUST have the
lastest version.  All of LANtastic can be loaded high.

Rick Roth

#: 864 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  16:47:45
Sb: #Nec conflict in memory
Fm: jim geoghegan 72621,225
To:  75300,1377 (X)

To: Artisoft Tech Support From : A new Purchaser of Lantastic I have Purchased
Lantastic just recently  -- actually so recently I have not had time to send
in registration cards. I have 3 nodes The Computers are  AST, AT&T6300, and a
NEC 386/25. the AST386SX and the ATT6300 work just fine. When Itry to bring
the NEC online The NEC and only the NEC freezes up. There is a conflict in the
memory of the NEC at I believe C40000. I Have a video seven VGA  video card
and 4megs of memory I removed everything but these and still a memory conflict
Any Suggestions

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#: 873 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  17:37:08
Sb: #864-Nec conflict in memory
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: jim geoghegan 72621,225

Jim

Assuming that you have 2mbps cards you can try moving the rambase.  The 2mbps
cards use 32k of memory above 640k for their onboard co-processor. Are you
getting any error messages?  Be sure to check for an IRQ conflict also, our
cards come set at the default irq of 3 which is the same as com2, if your
computer has 2 serial ports as so many newer ones do this can also cause a
problem.  Try the command line Lanbios2/auto and see if this helps.  If you
are using a memory manager like qemm you must make sure to exclude the rambase
memory on the memory manager command line.

If you have an ae2 ethernet system the problem is a little more complicated.
The AE2 ethernet cards do not use ANY memory above 640k. The card as address
through a 32byte ioport in lower memory.  Again I would check for an IRQ
conflict.  You may also need to force your vga card into the 8 bit mode.  They
will sometime leave the buss in a indeterminate state that our cards will not
recognize.

Make sure you are not loading any memory managers, device drivers, or tsr's
before the network.

Please leave a little more information, DOS Version, NOS version, type of
cards, type of hard drive controller, etc.

#: 875 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  17:52:56
Sb: #AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick...All three of our computers (2 Gateway 2000 386SX's and 1 Dell 386SX)
are set up as both servers and redirectors.  We use AE-2 Cheapnet, DOS 3.3 and
plenty of RAM on each machine.  LANtastic only seems to work when the AE-2
cards are in an 8-bit slot of our main Gateway's, but it's slow.  Why can't we
get LANtastic to work in 16-bit slots?  Thanks!  -SJB



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#: 880 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  18:28:52
Sb: #875-#AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627

Steve,

I ran into the same problem seting up a four node network on indentical 386SX
machines.  The AE-2 card worked fine in all but one
with the standard settings.  One the fourth computer I had to set the card to
non-standard bus and 8 bit mode (in a 16 bit slot).  I thought this was really
strange since all machines were purchased at the same time with identical
setups!!  It turned out that one the flaky machine the BIOS was a 1987 version
from AMI.  Once I upgraded the BIOS, at the mfg's expense, I was able to run
the fourth node properly.

I hope this helps!!

Hunter

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#: 895 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  02:05:23
Sb: #880-AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Rob Krumm 76137,1410
To: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504

Steve,

I also encountered similar problems but I have a wide variety of machines with
all sorts of different BIOS. My first instinct was to retreat to 8 bit
operation. However, I was able to activate 16 bit operation on the odd ball
machines by chaning the BASE IO address.  For example on one machine with a
Phoenix BIOS dated 1/15/88 I got 16 bit mode working by using IOBASE=340.

Rob Krumm

#: 876 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  17:53:00
Sb: #Sytos Across Network?
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick...We're using a Wangtek tape backup unit (originally bought from Dell)
with Sytos software on our main computer, a Gateway 2000 386SX.  We also use
AE-2 Cheapernet, DOS 3.3 and plenty of RAM.  The Wangtek/Sytos unit works fine
backing up its own HD (the HD in the same box as the Wangtek), but can we also
back up the HDs on the computers across the network?  Thanks in advance, Rick.
-SJB



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#: 894 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  01:13:36
Sb: #876-Sytos Across Network?
Fm: Chuck Welman 73126,1037
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627

Steve, Don't know about the Wangtek, but my IRWIN tape drive in my PS/2 backs
up the AST 386 hard drive (3 partitions) just fine.  I'm also running Ethernet
LANtastic with gobs of RAM.  Give it a try --but to be safe, be paranoid and
back up the remote HD by whatever means you've been using before trying in
with the Wangtek! Regards, Chuck

#: 890 S2/Artisoft
    26-Apr-91  23:15:24
Sb: NE1000 cards
Fm: Joseph Midgett 76366,572
To: All

Howdy!
  My company is running Lantastic NOS primarily with AE2 cards installed.
However, a few of our machines have NE1000 cards installed. Does anyone know
where one can get the appropriate versions of AE2 and AILANBIO to complement
the NE1000s?

Any and all replies greatly appreciated.

jm





#: 0 S0/Forum Announcement
    29-Apr-91   10:02:11
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
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#: 948 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  15:57:42
Sb: #857-Cche question
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Well, is MY face red.  I've always been a squirell with chips.   I'still have
an old Kaypro motherboard and a Z80 on my shelf. But THIS time, I threw out
the old RAM.  Who ever heard of less RAM is better?

Be a kind one and let me know the chip specs, so I can try to locate them here
in New York or by  mail order.  Presumedly that will be cheaper than through
Artisoft parts-- and it may not be fun explaining two Ram "upgrades" on my
expense account.

Ken

#: 957 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  20:38:39
Sb: #784-Cche question
Fm: Ed Feins 70160,310
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks for the information .... your services are greatly appreciated.

#: 947 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  15:56:44
Sb: #856-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Comp fails by itself without a prior xcopy or copy whenever run in a window
higher thean 1.  I've forgotten if Xcopy fails in the higher window.  I know
copy works ok as does Norton Commander's copy.  I'll check this out tommorrow.
If there's anything else you need to know you can phone me at 800-234 5223.  I
dont have a modem at work.

The workstation is an AST 386/25 Cupid motherboard bios ver 1.11 with
integrated vga video.  Disk is a Conner 210meg IDE.  I have 8 megs of ram on
it. DOS is MSDOS 4.01 partitioned C:75 D:125.  I do not have the boot set to
shadow ram the bios or the VGA roms and let QEMM do it for me.  That gives me
an extra 64k of high mem, since AST insists on shadowing the bios to D000-DFFF
from F000-FFFF if you use rom bios to do the shadowing.  Thats why I tryed
X=F000-FFFF with no ROM in my QEMM at all.  I made no difference.

The server is an AST386/sx 16 Cupid motherboard bios ver 1.00 set up the same
way except it uses a Compuadd ESDI cached controller with 4 megs of disk cache
(read only).  The ROM and VGA bios' are rammed by the boot rom setup.  AST
requires this for a Type 98 or 99 disk (The Compuadd controller has to be set
up to emulate an original IBM 10 meg drive which many BIOS's call disk type 1,
but AST uses type 1 for something else.)  Although I'm not having any trouble
with this BIOS, I am going to upgrade it to 1.11 since I am a beleiver in
having the latest versions on board.  This will take a couple of weeks since I
have to order the chips from AST.  The disk is a Seagate Wren 310meg (I think
4038).  Its partioned C:100 D:200 also with DOS 4.01.

You probably know AST cupid architecture is based on a common mother board
with replaceable cpu boards.  The 25 could go into the 16 box and visa versa.

I'll be real anxious to know how you progress.  Any idea how long it will
take?

Ken


#: 949 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  15:59:04
Sb: #856-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Comp fails by itself.  I've forgotten if Xcopy fails in the higher window.  I
know copy works ok as does Norton Commander's copy.

The workstation is an AST 386/25 Cupid motherboard bios ver 1.11 with
integrated vga video.  Disk is a Conner 210meg IDE.  I have 8 megs of ram on
it. DOS is MSDOS 4.01 partitioned C:75 D:125.  I do not have the boot set to
shadow ram the bios or the VGA roms and let QEMM do it for me.  That gives me
an extra 64k of high mem, since AST insists on shadowing the bios to D000-DFFF
from F000-FFFF if you setup the rom bios to do it, itself.

The server is an AST386/sx 16 Cupid motherboard bios ver 1.00 set up the same
way except it uses a Compuadd ESDI cached controller with 4 megs of disk cache
(read only).  The ROM and VGA bios' are rammed by the boot rom setup.  AST
requires this for a Type 98 or 99 disk (The Compuadd controller has to be set
up to emulate an original IBM 10 meg

#: 901 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  09:10:02
Sb: #863-Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Jim Clack 76474,1463
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick--
        How come your company uses a Vitalink Translan 350 to bridge its two
networks if Lantastic doesn't support any bridges?  Got my info from Ken
Johnson of your tech dept.  (I'm still working on the router issue). Regards,
Jim

#: 900 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  08:50:45
Sb: #895-#AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rob Krumm 76137,1410

Thanks, Bob.  (Your message went to Hunter, but the note's body was addressed
to me.)  Three questions:

1)  What does "chaning the BASE IO address" mean?

2)  How exactly were you able to stick IOBASE=340 into that 1/15/88 Phoenix
BIOS?

3)  Were you able to (subjectively) detect any speed diffs between 8 and
16-bit modes?  -SJB



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#: 958 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  20:56:51
Sb: #900-AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Sean Baxter 76044,1173
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627 (X)

Steve,

        The speed difference between the 8-bit operation and 16-bit operation
for an Ethernet NIC is a max of 15% increase in throughput for small data
transfers.  In essence, if your not watching closely,  you will not notice the
speed change.

Sean

#: 927 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  09:22:53
Sb: #895-AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: Rob Krumm 76137,1410

Rob,

Thanks for the suggestion, but believe me I tried all combinations of IOBASE
and IRQ's prior to dropping to 8 bit operation.  I think the my main problem
was the AE-2 board was seeing the BUS as non-standard!!

Hunter

#: 899 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  08:50:39
Sb: #880-#AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504 (X)

Hunter...VERY interesting.  Thanks!  BTW, after replacing the flaky BIOS
enabled you to run the AE-2 card in 16-bit mode in a 16-bit slot, did you
notice any speed increase vs. 8-bit?  -SJB



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#: 928 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  09:28:29
Sb: #899-AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627 (X)

Steve,

There appeared to be an increase in speed when accessing that node (server).
But I had not done any benchmarks on the old set up prior to changing it, so I
have nothing to really compare against.  I researched my problem from a stand
point of WHY are the machine setups different, not from a speed stand point!!

Hunter

#: 898 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  08:40:39
Sb: Send Literature?
Fm: Jim Clack 76474,1463
To: Rick Roth 75300,1377

Rick--
        Can you send 2 sets of literature about your AE-2 cards and the
Lantastic lanbios/NOS to:
        James W. Clack          Paul Bippen Both at:
        IUPUI Columbus
        4601 Central Ave
        Columbus, IN 47203 I'm about to order about 50 workstations-worth but
given the ??s about TCP/IP compatability my boss wants assurances that Netware
286/386 will work on your ethernet cards (I know, they're IEEE 802.3
compatible but he doesn't have a clue as to what that means) in case we can't
get on to the internet under Lanstastic. Thanks, Jim




#: 908 S2/Artisoft
    27-Apr-91  12:10:20
Sb: Windows and Lantastic Z
Fm: John Kavazanjian 70233,533
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

Now that I have Lantastic Z working (well), I have a question. Is it possible
for the server to be running Windows (enhanced mode) while it is being
accessed by a modem user? I get disconnected when I try to do it. I am using
Windows 3.0 with QEMM as the memory manager. How do I stop it from taking over
COM2 where my modem is, and disconnnecting me?

#: 929 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  12:12:06
Sb: #16550 UART
Fm: wiley gustafson 72271,201
To: all

When using a 9600 baud modem with data compression, a requirement for high
speed data transfers (typically to & from a BBS) is the use of the 16550 UART.
The 8250 UART just does not cut it.

When using the modem option of Lantastic Z, a 9600 baud modem with data
compression is required for reasonable response.  When trying to install
Lantastic Z on two new computers recently, I spent over a week trying to
figure out which computer or modem was preventing a secure network connection.
Numerous calls to the computer manufacturer, modem manufacturer, and Artisoft
gave very helpful suggestions which did not solve the problem.  After sitting
down and thinking for a bit, then I remembered the need for the 16550 UART
(took a while to get past the cobwebs).

Artisoft should have identified the 16550 UART as a requirement from the
beginning.  [Rick Roth - take note !!!]

That is all water under the bridge, the only known remaining problem is trying
to find the 16550 UART.  I called many local (Los Angeles) parts distributors,
none had the chip.  National, the chip manufacturer, will not sell to the
public but will give distributors names.  None of their mentioned distributors
have the chip.

I need some chips and I need them yesterday.  Does anyone know where they are
IN STOCK and available for IMMEDIATE purchase?

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#: 950 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  16:25:33
Sb: #929-#16550 UART
Fm: michael schuyler 76367,3300
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201 (X)

JDR Microdevices has the 16550 listed as part #NS16550 for $14.95 each. Their
800 is 800-538-5000. Tech Sup: 800-538-5002. They're a 40-pin device. Hope
this helps...Michael

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#: 975 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  01:28:50
Sb: #950-16550 UART
Fm: wiley gustafson 72271,201
To: michael schuyler 76367,3300

The 16550 is suppose to be a pin-for-pin replacement for the 8250 UART - which
is a 28 pin device.  Wonder if it is the right 16550 device or (hopefully) you
can't count.

Thanks for the lead; hopefully they have them in stock.  Have had false hopes
before becuase the dumb chip is not in stock.

Thanks again.

#: 941 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  15:08:31
Sb: FAX/Modems
Fm: Timothy K. Elgot 71261,1427
To: ALL

   I have a small company for a customer which is thinking about installing a
LAN so that the employees could share two FAX/modems, and secondarily share a
few files. I am wondering if LANtastic would be suitable for this and if so,
what problems might I run into?
   As it stands now, the company has five computers all using WordPerfect 5.1.
They would like to be able to send the text created by WordPerfect as easily
as possible, no graphics would need to be faxed. I was thinking about using
Intel's FAX board which I believe, given the correct WP printer driver, could
print directly to the FAX board making it easy for the operators.
   On another matter, I also know of another small company, currently using
LANtastic, which would like to share a modem that would only get occasional
use. Does any one know how they would do this?
   Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for all Replies,
   Tim

#: 954 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  18:37:33
Sb: Lantastic
Fm: Rick McGee 71660,2270
To: Rick Roth 75300,1377

I too am considering installing lantastic...I probably have one of the few
combination Lumber Yard/CPA practices in Arizona...there are two of us on the
CPA side and two on the lumber yard side. We would be operating multiple
general ledgers and spread sheets from a variety of locations. I currently use
pcAnywhere to remote process tax returns in the office from my home.  I would
also like to get a POS system for the lumber yard. security and integrity of
the files is also a consideration...is lantastic for me??

I would appreciate you sending sales literature to:
                Richard B, McGee, CPA
                PO Box  17477
                Fountain  Hills   AZ   85269-7477

                                     Thanks,
                                      Rick

#: 956 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  20:30:07
Sb: /exit
Fm: Paul Kelly 72230,3462
To: [F] Artisoft 75300,1377

I have two token ring cards (IBM), and a MAU that work, I also have the IBM
Lan programs for DOS. They are unacceptable, they require a dedicated server
and leave about 100k of useable memory if they are both configured the way I
would like to use the machines, as peers, eventually I will add another
machine, my MIDI machine out back. Will your product(s) work in this setup?
Both machines are 386's, although one is an Intel Inboard 386 powered XT with
3 meg of RAM. The other is 386sx with 4 meg. I got all the token ring hardware
at fire sale and hate to just throw it away if it can be used. Thank you for
your help in advance..

Paul Kelly

#: 964 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  21:36:09
Sb: LANtastic-Tandy 1000EX
Fm: Jim Hays 73707,1250
To:  75300,1377

I have been directed to LANtastic as a possible solution to a problem I a
having.  I am a high school teacher with a small comuter lab.  I would like to
network this lab in the near future.  The problem is that I have a mixture of
different types of computers.  I know that this in itself is no problem, but 7
if these machines are Tandy 1000EX systems (ouch..) My question is...  Is
there a card (or other hardware configuration) that will allow me to include
these Tandy 1000EX computers in a network.  I do n not need a fancy network,
just one that will allow some file sharing and maybe acces to some network
wide software.  E-Mail would be nice to expose the students to, but not a
necessity.

Does such a bird exist???  If so, please let me know.  I am very inter
interested in this.. (I apologize for the unreadable message.  I hate this
editor...)



#: 967 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  22:08:12
Sb: Is everything here?
Fm: Shap Wolf 73300,352
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick-

Good to see you here on compuserv. I wonder if we can now stop looking for
Lantastic-related files and messages in the other forums? I've been checking
WPSGA, BMCOMM, PC Mag UTIL, etc-- will you get any good files posted there
cross-posted to this forum's library? and encourage threads on those fora to
move here? Sure would help the information glut, and it seems that the higher
the density, the more likely the chances of finding someone with a solution.

Thanks.



#: 968 S2/Artisoft
    28-Apr-91  22:41:40
Sb: New Files
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

You may want to post a message to "All" to checkout the files available in the
Artisoft Forum Library.  I just happened to do a library search and noticed
that you had added quite a few new files in the past week or two.

[Rupert]



#: 974 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  01:16:39
Sb: #Lantastic Z
Fm: John Kukuda 70003,5375
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

Rick,

I just purchased Lantastic Z for a Client.  I already have them running on a
lantastic starter kit.  I will be adding a third workstation and they all are
running peer to peer.  I am a little confused as it looks like a new operating
system has come with lantastic z.  It appears that this system is not as
flexible as the old one.  Is this true.  Should I upgrade the old one running
on a 2 mips network to this or does this have a 2 user restriction ?

I hope to be able to use lantastic z to log on and access the whole network. I
realize that it will take special configuration on the peer with the modem.
Is my perception of this correct ?

Look forward to your reply,

John




There is 1 Reply.

#: 976 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  01:32:54
Sb: #974-Lantastic Z
Fm: wiley gustafson 72271,201
To: John Kukuda 70003,5375

Lantastic Z gives you a network of just two computers.  The third computer is
not accessable from the 'remote' computer using Lantastic Z.

The directions that come with the Lantastic Z package leave lots to the
imagination.  I've gone thru the pains and will be glad to help.




#: 0 S0/Forum Announcement
    30-Apr-91   6:26:42
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
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#: 1028 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  17:26:56
Sb: #786-#Performance problem (c)
Fm: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,
       I will try increasing the locks, thinking that there might be a locks
conflict on the server.  I will add the command line share /l:2000.  For the
record, the DOS 3.3 is the version used.
       I now have a better understanding of the software package.  It writes
to the hard disk in a batch mode after the user has released the record.
Consequently, the system looks for space on the hard disk to write this new
data.  Writing this record to the hard disk takes time and slows the
processing down.  In addition, the workstation, which is the source of the
slow performance, is on a AT machine 286 with a cpu speed of 6 megahertz. On
the server there is 1 meg of memory and LANcache is using a portion of it.
The users do not want to upgrade to computer at this point and so I must look
to the server -- Dell 386SX.  Question:  if I increased the memory to 3 megs
on the server, let's say, and then increase the size of the LANcache to double
it's default size, do you think the writing of the data received from the AT
would be faster?   The other idea is to upgrade 10 mbps from the 2 mbps.  What
do you think?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 1037 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  19:39:33
Sb: #1028-Performance problem (c)
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Harold E. McCray 71171,1207

Harold

Increasing the size of the cache will certainly help speed up disk writes if
write caching is enabled, if you are use the long_Write_delay=0 and
after_write_delay=0 switches than increasing the size will not help
performance.

#: 1005 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:41
Sb: #948-Cche question
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

The chips are standard 8kx8 100ns static rams.

Rick Roth

#: 1004 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:34
Sb: #897-Cche question
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Juan C. Valido 72406,611

Jaun

I would not log a dedicated server into itself.  There would be only a slight
difference in performance.  Of course if you wanted to monitor the network or
the print spooler from the servers screen you would have to log in.

#: 1010 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:02:26
Sb: #947-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

I have no idea how long this will take, since it is a interaction between 3
differnet programs and it appears to be non critical I imagine it could take a
while.  If you have a fax at work please drop me a message with the fax number
there is a lot more information I will need and it is easier to send a form
than do it over the bbs.

Rick Roth

#: 1003 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:27
Sb: #896-#WordPerfect hang up
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Mark Gordon 72550,2247 (X)

Mark

No You will need to run QRAM or a similar product.

Rick Roth

There is 1 Reply.

#: 1050 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  22:18:55
Sb: #1003-WordPerfect hang up
Fm: Mark Gordon 72550,2247
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks Rick.

Appreciate you being there.

Mark

#: 1001 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:12
Sb: #901-Ethernet VS Arcnet
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jim Clack 76474,1463

Jim

We do not support bridges, that does not mean that they will not work, just
that we will not provide active tech support for the bridge.  We will support
the network up to the bridge but not beyond.

Rick Roth

#: 996 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  11:52:14
Sb: #958-AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Sean Baxter 76044,1173 (X)

Sean...I appreciate that speed info.  Thanks!  -SJB



#: 999 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:00:58
Sb: #875-#AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627 (X)

Steve

There can be several causes of this problem.  Have you tried all the possible
IOBASE addresses?  Have you tried the w8 jumper for nonstandard bus timming?
Finally if you have 16bit VGA cards in the computers you may want to try
forcing the VGA cards into 8 bit mode and see how it works. There are a great
many VGA cards that leave the 16bit buss in an indeterminate state that
conflicts with our cards.  You may also want to make sure that you have a
recent bios, minimum 1988.

Rick Roth

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#: 1019 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  14:06:44
Sb: #999-AE2 Cards & 16-Bit Slots
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick...Thanks for the thought food.  We did try some of those things, but it's
been a while, so we'll try 'em again and get back to you.  -SJB



#: 1000 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:04
Sb: #876-#Sytos Across Network?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627 (X)

Steve

You should be able to backup the hard drive of any server on the network from
the machine with the tape drive installed.  You will not be able to share the
tape drive as a network device.

Rick Roth




There is 1 Reply.

#: 1018 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  14:06:39
Sb: #1000-#Sytos Across Network?
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

>>You will not be able to share the tape drive as a network device.

Rick...What does sharing the tape drive as a network device mean?  -SJB




There is 1 Reply.

#: 1035 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  19:39:13
Sb: #1018-Sytos Across Network?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627

Steve

This means that you cannot access the tape drive from another computer. In
other works you cannot copy files or backup from your hard drive to the tape
drive on another computer as you could to a floppy on the other computer.

Rick Roth

#: 1002 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:21
Sb: #890-NE1000 cards
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Joseph Midgett 76366,572

Joseph

You will need to purchase a copy of Lantastic/AI for each node with the NE1000
cards.  LANtastic/AI comes with a driver NEX000.exe for the Novell cards as
well as the AI version on AILanbios and the Network Operating System.  NEX000
will not work with the AIlanbios that comes with your ae2 cards.

Rick Roth

#: 1006 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:49
Sb: #898-Send Literature?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jim Clack 76474,1463

Jim

Our cards are 100% Novell NE2000 compatable, better than a clone.  There are
several 100's of installations running Novell on our cards currently.

The sales literature is on the way.

Rick Roth

#: 1007 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:01:58
Sb: #908-Windows and Lantastic Z
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John Kavazanjian 70233,533

John

Currently Windows will  not run on a Lantastic server in the 386 enhanced
mode.  The normal system is that you loose the network while in Windows and
regain it upon exit.  We are working on resolving this.  Windows WILL run in
the enhanced mode on a Lantastic Workstation.

Rick Roth

#: 1008 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:02:07
Sb: #929-#16550 UART
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201 (X)

Wiley

The 16550 is not neccessary for 9600 buad use (many 9600 buad internal modems
on the market do not use it) but is sure helps a lot.  I will add the
information to out database.

Rick Roth

There is 1 Reply.

#: 1033 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  18:54:59
Sb: #1008-#16550 UART
Fm: wiley gustafson 72271,201
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

A 16550 is not necessary IF the modem is a straight 9600 baud unit. But if the
modem supports V.42bis, the effective throughput of the modem is 38k baud.
That's when it is needed.

(MNP 5 has an effective throughput of about 19k baud.)

There is 1 Reply.

#: 1039 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  19:39:50
Sb: #1033-16550 UART
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201

Wiley

One of the recommendations with LantasticZ is that level 5 compression not be
used.  Lantastic Z has it's own compression routines. The point I was trying
to make is that since you are supplying the hardware it should work before our
software, while we possibly should have checked for the 16550 UART, we were
not in error if we assumed it to be there.

Rick Roth

#: 1009 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:02:17
Sb: #941-#FAX/Modems
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Timothy K. Elgot 71261,1427 (X)

Timothy

There are currently 3 modem servers listed as compatable with Lantastic, they
are Sparkle from Concept Development, LAN+Modem from Cross Communication, and
NCS serial redirector from J&L Information Systems. Demo versions of the last
2 are available in the Library.

The only Fax sharing Software tested as compatable is EZ FAX LAN from Calculus
.

Rick Roth

There is 1 Reply.

#: 1051 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  22:53:17
Sb: #1009-FAX/Modems
Fm: Timothy K. Elgot 71261,1427
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

   Thank you for the information. I have downloaded one of the demos. Would
you happen to know where I might be able to get an address or phone number for
Calculus, the makers of EZ FAX LAN?
   Once again thank you for your assistance.

   Tim

#: 1011 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:02:34
Sb: #954-Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rick McGee 71660,2270

Rick

For tying together the computer at the office I thing you will find Lantastic
the be the answer,  You probably will need to continue to use PCAnywhere to
access the system from home.  Sales literature on the way.

Rick Roth

#: 1012 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:02:44
Sb: #956-/exit
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Paul Kelly 72230,3462

Paul

You can use your token ring cards with Lantastic/AI.  You will need to use the
PC Lan support program for the netbios and use just the Lantastic NOS, (redir,
server, net, and net_mgr).  This will use more ram than a standard Lantasic
installation, and the software will be slightly more expensive ($99.00/node vs
$99.00/network).  But will be much less than you are using now.

Rick Roth

#: 1013 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:02:52
Sb: #967-Is everything here?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Shap Wolf 73300,352 (X)

Shap

I will still be answering messages in the other forums, and will transfer any
files I can find, but do not gaurantee that I will find all.  I would
appreciate all the help I can get, if you find a file that looks good in one
of the other forums please upload it here.

Rick Roth

#: 1014 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:02:58
Sb: #968-#New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

Thats a good Idea, I always check out the library but others may not.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 1026 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  15:22:28
Sb: #1014-New Files
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

One more suggestion Rick,

I noticed that you have a "Wish List" on your BBS.  Perhaps you could ask for
some input here as well.

[Scarb On->Rupert]



#: 1043 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  21:13:16
Sb: #976-Lantastic Z
Fm: John Kukuda 70003,5375
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201

Wiley,

I should get to this in the next week or two.  I'll certainly keep you in
mind. Thanks

ohn




#: 1044 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  21:13:21
Sb: #976-Lantastic Z
Fm: John Kukuda 70003,5375
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201

Wiley,

I should get to this in the next week.  I'll keep you in mind.

Thanks,

John




#: 1015 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:03:13
Sb: #974-#Lantastic Z
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John Kukuda 70003,5375 (X)

John

Lantastic Z is limited to just 2 nodes.  You will need to upgrade all nodes on
the network to the same version as Lantastic Z.  The only programs you should
use from the Z package on the existing system are ?port.exe, Ailanbios, and
Z-mgr.  You cannot mix versions on the network.

You will NOT be able to logon and access the entire network with LanZ. LanZ
will let you set up a 2 node network that shares one of the servers on your
existing network, but you will NOT be able to access any resources on any
other computer on the network.

I do not know what version you are currently using on the 2mbps system but NOS
3.03 the current version adds many more features and much more flexability to
the system.  NOS 3.0x addes support for multiple despooling to up to 5
printers on a server, direct support for serial printers, improved net mail
and greater speed.  To upgrade from nos 3.x to 3.03 is free, to upgrade from
1.xx or 2.xx to 3.03 is $50.00.  The current version of Lantastic/2mbps is an
unlimited version.

Rick Roth

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#: 1016 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  13:11:57
Sb: #1015-Lantastic Z
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

I am in the process of transfering all the files from the Artisoft Arti-Facts
bbs to the Library here on Compuserve.  You should check out the Library
section on a regular basis.  I will also be posting transcripts of the Public
areas of the BBS here for you to download.

Rick Roth

#: 1042 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  21:13:10
Sb: #1015-Lantastic Z
Fm: John Kukuda 70003,5375
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Their last upgrade was to 3.03.  Thanks for the response.

John




#: 1032 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  18:10:52
Sb: #NEC conflict in mem
Fm: jim geoghegan 72621,225
To:  75300,1377 (X)

Rick: Thanks for the Quick response will try your suggestions.

I tried changing the IRQ and the rambase but not the other suggestions and at
one point Lantastic was working but it would keep freezing the system. Using
QEMM as memory manager. DOS version 3.3 Cards Western Digital WD8003E

NOS Version 3.02 Serial Number is AAD0006834 -3 of the NOS Hard drive and
controller will have to locate information.

Also, Do you have information on setting up ACCPAC LAN Version on Lantastic.
Would appreciate a way to locate data and books, software for Lantastic Thanks

There is 1 Reply.

#: 1038 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  19:39:42
Sb: #1032-NEC conflict in mem
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: jim geoghegan 72621,225

Jim

The file bullet.zip if the library contains information on the installation of
ACCPAC on Lantastic.  Make sure that qemm excludes the rambase area for the WD
ethernet cards.

Rick Roth

#: 1036 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  19:39:27
Sb: #New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

OK  This is the start of the OFFICIAL ARTISOFT WISH LIST.  This thread is for
you to leave your requests for new features or additions to any of Artisofts'
Products.  We keep a customer suggestion database and when we begin work on a
new version of the software, we check the database and try to implement the
features requested most often.  This is as close to true democracy you can
find in product development and design.  If you see something you like while
reading this thread jump in and contribute the more people requesting a
feature the more likely you will see it in a future release.  No stuffing the
ballot box now,  we check only one vote per person.

Rick Roth

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#: 1040 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  20:02:59
Sb: #1036-New Files
Fm: James Goldman 72137,3401
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick:

I've got a wish for the Artisoft wish list -network OS) should be prepared, marketed, targeted, etc. at larger networks.
By trying to push Artisoft hardware using hardware-specific versions of the
NOS, Artisoft keeps LANtastic from being a choice in large companies where a
variety (a hodgepodge?) of hardware is already in place, ie token ring,
10BaseT, coax, etc.

Yes, virginia, there is adapter-independent lantastic, but since there is no
"quantity" pricing, anyone who is choosing a NOS for twenty or more
workstations will probably choose Netware cause it's IBM blessed and cheaper
at that many stations. For even larger networks, the choices might be LAN
manager or Banyan, but most MIS people I spoke with said they would never
consider LANtastic in a large corporate network.

Also on the list.. TCP/IP compatibility: a big must in corporate and
eduational networks.

Thanks.
                                Jim Goldman

#: 1041 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  20:58:45
Sb: #1036-New Files
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Ok Rick here I go:

1.  I would like to see enhanced support for the WD8013EB cards in
    LANtastic/AI; 2.  A 386 version of LANtastic for better dedicated server
performance 3.  The ability to bridge to other Networks; 4.  A new pricing
scheme for LANtastic/AI (ie. Cheaper <g>)

[Rupert]



#: 1048 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  21:55:48
Sb: 10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Brian Roth 75236,265
To: Rick Roth 75300,1377

Hello Rick.  Told you I'd drop in here tonight!

I DL'ed your BULET.ZIP to see if any 10BaseT adapters were listed, but didn't
spot anything (it wouldn't surprise me if I missed it, though!).  I understand
you are coming out with a new adapter Real Soon, but depending on how Soon
that is, I may have a problem.  As you might remember in our earlier messages,
I want to install a network configured as a star due to the weird layout of
the building.  10BaseT hubs are available, and seem quite a bit cheaper than
some coax units I've seen.  I'm still investigating my coax options, though.

Anyway, my 10BaseT questions.  Any idea on the shipping date and approximate
retail price of the Artisoft cards?  Or, if it's way off in the future, any
suggestions on <horrors!> alternate adapters that will work with your product?

Which brings me to my last question.  One of the files in BULET discussed
Lantastic/AI and mentioned that each copy was serialized.  If I did go with an
alternate adapter, does this mean spending $495 (list) for each machine?????
Your stock Ethernet software for the AE-2 cards doesn't require spending $495
+ $349 for the adapter (list) to add a station.  The AI pricing makes Novell
look positively cheap for a medium sized network, if I read the doc correctly.
This is getting a bit confusing to me; where does NOS-AI end, AI-LANBIOS
begin, and how many copies of whatever are required?

Thanks!

Brian (the OTHER Roth <g>)




#: 1049 S2/Artisoft
    29-Apr-91  21:55:56
Sb: Update to 3.03
Fm: Brian Roth 75236,265
To: Rick Roth 75300,1377

Blabbermouth here again.  In my previous message, I forgot to ask what your
update policy is.  I received a version 3.02 Ethernet starter kit last week
from Telemart (old stock, I guess) for a small setup I'm putting in this week,
and I see from BULET.ZIP I'm behind the times!  Also, the Z net I use at home
is not current, either.

Of course, I haven't been having any problems, either!

Brian (always excited about Lantastic, and still the OTHER Roth)




#: 1055 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  00:00:28
Sb: On board ram failure
Fm: Jim Johnston 73537,3167
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 76050,1210

Rick,
I have an AE-2 board a couple weeks old that is giving me Error: On-Board Ram
Failure. What are the chances it is in the 8K Ram in U-1 or U-9? If so, it
would be easier for me to pick up some chips locally than to RMA board to
LANtastic.
JIm




#: 0 S0/Forum Announcement
    1-May-91   8:44:48
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
To:

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#: 1117 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  19:18:34
Sb: #1010-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

In case you lost it- the fax number is 212 268 5552.  By the way, the problem
is with Comp, Copy and Xcopy.  Every one of them have intermittently failed in
DV.

Ken

#: 1072 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  09:37:01
Sb: #1033-16550 UART
Fm: Gary Saake 72361,1503
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201

Wiley:

I agree with Rick. The 16550 is not needed. Not a single one of my serial
ports running Intel 9600EX V.42bis, MNP5, V.32 modems with LANtastic Z has
one, and I'm not experiencing any problems. Maybe you should look into the
machine's BIOS and interrupt handling.

Gary Saake


#: 1101 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  13:31:34
Sb: #1051-#FAX/Modems
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Timothy K. Elgot 71261,1427

Tim

I cannot find one, I will have to do some more checking and see if someone
here has it.

Rick Roth

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#: 1104 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  15:30:07
Sb: #1101-FAX/Modems
Fm: Joseph Paradi Jr. 70023,2202
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I have been using the Calculus product for a while now both in a Lantastic LAN
and on my standalone machine.  It seems to work quite well and their tech
support has been helpful when I've needed it.  You can contact Calculus at
408-733-7800. Good Luck

#: 1098 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  13:31:03
Sb: #1040-#New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: James Goldman 72137,3401

James

Artisoft has just announced that with the next version of Lantastic(4.0), a
unlimited license version of Lantastic/AI will be available.  This version
will be priced at $2499.00 with an upgrade charge for old users of NOS/AI of
$249.00.  A release date for version 4.0 nor the features of this version have
not been announced.


Rick Roth

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#: 1118 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  20:31:15
Sb: #1098-New Files
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

I am a little confused (although this is not an uncommon state for me <g>), is
NOS/AI the same as LANtastic/AI - if not, how much is/was NOS/AI (if it is
still available) and what are/were the differences between the two?  If
LANtastic/AI is not the same as NOS/AI will there be an upgrade path for it as
well?  You have been mentioning 4.0 quite a bit, is it reasonable to assume
that there will be anouncement in the _near_ future?

[Scarb On->Rupert]



#: 1099 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  13:31:17
Sb: #1048-#10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Brian Roth 75236,265 (X)

Brian

re:  Artisoft 10 Base T ethernet.  I an not allowed to comment on unreleased
products.

You must have an old price list,  AI/NOS which retailed for $495.00 has been
discontinued, it has been replaced by Lantastic/AI.  Lantasic/AI is serialized
and retails for $99.00 per node. An unlimited licenced version of Lantasic/AI
will be available with the next release of the NOS.  Release date, ship dates,
nor versions have not yet been announced.  Pricing is tenetively $2499.00
unlimited $249.00 upgrade from NOS/AI.

The files LanAI.txt and NOSAI.txt list the cards we have tested and found to
be compatable and more importantly the ones we have found to be incompatable.

Rick Roth

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#: 1109 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  18:16:49
Sb: #1099-10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Brian Roth 75236,265
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks for the NOS/AI pricing clarification, Rick.  Now that I checked the
price list, it was from 1/1/90!  I guess the $99/node is a fair price
considering the quality of the product (although $495 per network was
excellent).

I thought I had checked those files for 10BaseT cards, but I must have missed
them.  I'll check LanAI.txt again (since it doesn't sound like it would make
any sense to investigate the NOS compability if it is discontinued).

Again, I appreciate your time in assisting me!

Brian




#: 1105 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  16:04:02
Sb: #1048-#10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Brian Roth 75236,265 (X)

Brian -
        LANtastic/AI is list priced $99/node, although apparently they have
just announced a site license for $2499 (give or take $100). I can't help you
with the other questions.             -cjh

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#: 1110 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  18:17:08
Sb: #1105-10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Brian Roth 75236,265
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Thanks for the pricing info, Curtis!

Brian




#: 1100 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  13:31:28
Sb: #1049-Update to 3.03
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Brian Roth 75236,265 (X)

Brian

Our update policy for Lantastic AE2, 2MBPS, and Z is free within versions, ie
from NOS 3.0 to 3.03 is free(disk only).  Our upgrade policy between versions
is $50.00 (disk and manuals) ie NOS 2.57 to NOS 3.03.  You can get an update
by leaving me a private message or email with Name Address and Phone Number
along with your serial numbers.  We normally ship UPS Ground but can do it
faster if you want it COD.

Rick Roth

#: 1102 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  13:31:43
Sb: #1055-On board ram failure
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jim Johnston 73537,3167 (X)

Jim

If the board has been working and suddenly you are getting this error and you
have not added any new software or hardware to the system than the chances are
very good, these chips are standard 8Kx8 100ns static ram chips.  A more
common cause of this error message is a conflict in either IRQ or Iobase
addressing.

Rick Roth

#: 1080 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  11:05:28
Sb: #tape backup compatabilit
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: ALL

Hi Gang,

I'm planning to buy a new PC and install Lantastic on it.  I'd also like to
put a good tape backup system on the new machine.  I'm looking at an Archive
VP150 or an Colorado Jumbo 120.  Has anybody used these with Lantastic?  Are
either Artisoft approved?

Thanks for any help.

Rog...



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#: 1114 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  19:07:38
Sb: #1080-#tape backup compatabilit
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520 (X)

I use a Colorado Jumbo very succesfully from the workstation to backup both
the workstation and the server (not dedicated).   However, I find Colorado's
softwear very poor since it doesnt create directory reports for finding a file
to restore.  The solution is to use PCTools Backup which works perfectly with
the Colorado.

Ken Malkin

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#: 1119 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  21:29:43
Sb: #1114-tape backup compatabilit
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423

Hi Ken,

Thanks for the reply.

That's a good suggestion about PCtools backup.

Rog.




#: 1107 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  17:26:35
Sb: Com1 and Com2=Irq3?
Fm: DAVID SYLVAIN 73710,1457
To: Y'all

I am using a 33 Mhz File Server running Lantastic with 2 Modems--1 on com1 and
1 on com2.  Using the Cross Communications' Program (or regardless) A request
for Com2 reports that the IRQ is in use? Is Lantastic using Irq 3? Com1 works
fine--Comments suggestions?

#: 1108 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  17:47:25
Sb: Lantastic Z
Fm: Ronald Nutter [CSI] 75600,1140
To: All

I am running on Lantastic version 2.53 (limited to 3 user and am using
proprietary cards).  I am considering purchasing Lantastic/Z so that I can
back up my IBM L40 portable using a tape backup unit on a 386 system at home
instead of backing up to floppy.  From reading messages concerning Lantastic
Z, I understand that I will have to upgrade the release of the NOS I am using
now to match the version of Lantastic Z - the question is how much will it
cost and is it necessary if I am only going to use it to back up the portable
and not access the whole network (2 machines running on it now)?

#: 1111 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  18:27:43
Sb: Z & CROSS TOGETHER
Fm: DAVID SYLVAIN 73710,1457
To: [F] Artisoft 75300,1377

Just curious...Have you tried running Lantastic Z with the Cross package?

#: 1116 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  19:15:44
Sb: #Remote acesss
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

The way NOS.TXT is indented I cant be sure whether you mean PC Anywhere and
Carbon Copy Plus are useable at all or only useable on a workstation.  Is
there any approved package that would permit me to access the Lan by Modem the
way these packages work?

Ken Malkin

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#: 1129 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  06:59:18
Sb: #1116-Remote acesss
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423

Ken,

I use Carbon Copy to access my office network from home.  I call a SERVER and
am able to do anything that is necessary on the host machine AND through the
network!!

Hunter

#: 1120 S2/Artisoft
    30-Apr-91  21:34:34
Sb: Lantastic Novice
Fm: Robert Pupazzoni 70441,204
To: ALL




Can anyone give me some info on the Lantastic Repeater/Hub?

I want to network my office using the existing RJ-45 twisted pair wirin I
understand that Lantastic uses a bus topology, but unfortunately all the
wiring is configured a a star (all converging in a central wiring closet).
Can I still use Lantastic with this setup?  Do I need the Repeater/Hub?

Thanks in advance, Bob.






#: 0 S0/Forum Announcement
    2-May-91   9:38:37
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
To:

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#: 1149 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:32:09
Sb: #1117-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

You should have received the Fax by now I will send it again just to make
sure.

Rick Roth

#: 1182 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  20:00:28
Sb: #855-WHICH LAN TO USE?
Fm: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick: Thanks for the reply, still two questions though. 1. How much memory
does the program use when resident? 2. A really stupid question: Does the LAN
slow the P.C. down? and is it transperant (sp?) to the users? Most of the
people around here have trouble doing anything that I dont write a
menu/program/macro to do it for them. Thanks for your help! Arch Willingham

#: 1139 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  12:54:34
Sb: #1035-Sytos Across Network?
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks for the explanation, Rick.  Yesterday we finally _did_ succeed in
backing up a node's HD across the net!  -SJB



#: 1201 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  08:39:09
Sb: #1007-Windows and Lantastic Z
Fm: John Kavazanjian 70233,533
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks, Rick. Being able to run it on the workstation side is a help. The
server side isn't critical, but will be nice when you have it. By the way, you
guys don't know what you have with Lantastic Z. It's cheaper than LapLink or
Carbon Copy and easier to use once you muddle through installing it.

#: 1184 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  21:13:35
Sb: #975-16550 UART
Fm: michael schuyler 76367,3300
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201 (X)

well, i WAS counting from a very small picture.....



#: 1194 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  23:15:31
Sb: #1072-16550 UART
Fm: wiley gustafson 72271,201
To: Gary Saake 72361,1503

Let me tell you what I did try -
    Dell 386D (25MHz) with 16450 (part of another VLSI)
    Compudyne 386/25 with 8250
    Compaq 286 40 pound laptop with 16450
    Zenith 386 portable with 8250
    IBM PC (True Blue 4.77MHZ) with 8250

All beeped (the 16450's beeped considerably less but were usable; the 8250's
were unusable)

While Rick took my commnets to heart, they were not meant to blame Artisoft
for my own forgetfulness about not using a better UART.

One of the things that should be added to the manual is a note about the UART.

#: 1150 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:32:26
Sb: #1118-#New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

WE have not announced a release date yet.

Lantasic/AI offers all the same functionality as NOS/AI with several added
features and changes.  The last version of NOS/AI for sale was 3.02,  we have
continued to support it and have updated owners of NOS/AI to NOS/AI 3.03 but
no longer sell it.

Onwers of NOS/AI will be able to ugrade to Lantastic/AI Unlimited v 4.xx when
it is released out for $249.00.

Some of the changes between NOS/AI and Lantastic/AI are:

1.  Lantastic Ai comes with netbios' for several 3rd party cards including
NOVELL NE2000.  NOS/AI did not come with a Net bios, you had to purchase the
netbios from a third party.  NOS/AI did not support Novell NE2000 cards.

2.  NOS/AI was sold in an unlimited node version,  Lantastic/AI will be sold
in a one node serailzed version as well as an unlimited node version.

Rick Roth

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#: 1181 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  19:47:01
Sb: #1150-New Files
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Thanks for the clarification.  It seems a little odd there is a low cost
upgrade path from NOS/AI, which had less features than LANtastic/AI and is now
discontinued, while apparently the only way for user of LANtastic/AI (who need
only have purchased three copies to have paid more for it than NOS/AI users
had) to upgrade is to pay the full price.  I was tempted to start complaining
about the $2499 price tag, but I then realized that of course I have
absolutely no idea what new features 4.0 would implement so I am going to keep
my mouth shut <G> - they may very well justify the price and then some (ie.
the quality I am used to from Artisoft).

I realize that you have nothing to do with pricing policies, but maybe <g> you
will pass on my concerns to those who do.

Now for something that perhaps you could help me with.  I am having a problem
with a server running LANtastic/AI and Automenu 4.5.  The computer will run
all programs without problems until the Automenu screen saver has kicked in
for an hour or so, at this point, the computer/keyboard/screen freezes - a
hard reset (power off/on) has to be done in order to use the server computer
again.  However, even though the computer seems to have frozen, workstations
can still access it hard disk without problem.

Any ideas?

[Rupert]



#: 1144 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:31:26
Sb: #1109-10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Brian Roth 75236,265

Brian

Lantastic/AI retains all the abilities of NOS/AI while adding much more
everything that is compatable with NOS/AI will be compatable with
Lantastic/AI. This is why we maintain the two lists, LANAI for those that are
JUST compatable with  Lantastic/AI and NOS/ai for the full AI product line
past and future.

Rick Roth

#: 1138 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  12:42:19
Sb: #1107-Com1 and Com2=Irq3?
Fm: Clyde Bennett 71655,1563
To: DAVID SYLVAIN 73710,1457

\david, If you are using the AE2 |Ethernet cards, they do indeed use the IRQ
interrupts.  You vcan change them by swithcing a jumper on the board and
including a statement in the ae2 line; e.g.;, if you swithc to IRQ5, then you
will need to change the line to read: ae2 irq=5. If you are using 2 MBPS
cards, irq is selected via software.  Youc can change the conflect by simply
changing the lanbios2 line to: lanbios2 irq=5

#: 1145 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:31:38
Sb: #1107-Com1 and Com2=Irq3?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: DAVID SYLVAIN 73710,1457

David

The lantastic cards come set to IRQ=3 (com2/4) by defalt.  This can be changed
by a jumper and command line on the ethernet cards and by just a command line
change on the 2mbps cards.

Another problem is that a server will take over all the output ports of a
computer for use by the print spooler.  The comports can be released with the
command NET QUEUE HALT \\server-name comx where x is the port number. This
command is only neccessary of servers, and only then when despooling is
enabled.

Rick Roth

#: 1147 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:31:55
Sb: #1111-Z & CROSS TOGETHER
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: DAVID SYLVAIN 73710,1457

David

No.  The cost of the Cross package would make it a bit of overkill. Lantastic
Z is limited to 2 node network, and it would be much cheaper to buy a second
modem than a modem server.

Rick Roth

#: 1148 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:32:02
Sb: #1116-Remote acesss
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

Carbon Copy, Carbon Copy Plus. Closeup Close-up Lan Co/Session PC Anywhere 3.0
and eariler Remote 2

Are all compatable with Lantastic.

Rick Roth

#: 1151 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:32:44
Sb: #1120-Lantastic Novice
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Robert Pupazzoni 70441,204 (X)

Robert

With the hub you can wire the 2mbps version of Lantastic into a star or tree
configuration.  As to whether your existing wiring will work I do not know.
Lantastic supports three types of wiring,  Artisoft Cable which is supported
to lengths of 1500' per leg, Belden 9729 or 89729 lengths of 1000' and AT&T
twisted pair round solid conductor lengths of 300'.  YOU cannot use flat phone
cable.  You cannot mix cable type on the same network.

The hub will support 6 legs each consisting of 2 branches.  You can chain up
to 7 hubs. Configuration should be something similar to that below.

     |===+===+===+===+===+===+===+===+===+===+===|
     +1  2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11 12+
     |                                           |

1 and 2, 3&4, 4&5, etc. form a leg. A cable can run from 1 to one or more
computers and from 2 to one or more computers.  The total length from the last
computer on 1 to the last computer on 2 can be no more than the limits above.

Rick Roth

#: 1140 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  12:54:43
Sb: #Node/Server Perf Diffs?
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick...As stated elsewhere, we have 3 386SX computers on an AE-2 Cheapernet.
When at the server we boot up our accounting software (AccPac BPI) - which
resides on the server's HD - the program,  which goes through a disk-intensive
verification process, takes exactly 17 seconds to load.  But loading the
program from a node takes 52 seconds.

Questions:

1)  Is it normal for stuff to take 3 times longer to load across the network
than on the server itself?

2)  If not, what can we do to tweak performance?

Thanks, Rick!  -SJB



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#: 1152 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:53:44
Sb: #1140-Node/Server Perf Diffs?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Steve Bier 76010,1627 (X)

Steve

It is not normal for it to take 3 times longer, twice as long should be the
max.  There are several things you can do.

1.  Use disk cache software.  This will speed the network considerably. 2.
Use Fastopen if you are useing Lancache. 3.  Make sure that auditing is
disabled on the server. ( there are two more selections that are hidden in the
initial net_mgr server Startup parameters screen make sure they are all -s).
4.  eliminate the I acl on the shared resources in net_mgr. 5.  Change the
redir command line on  EVERY computer to read redir machine-name logins=# of
servers BUFFERS=2.

Remember that if the server is also being used as a workstation the jobs being
run on the server can effect the rest of the network.

By doing the above I have taken a program from 92 seconds loading to 17
seconds.

Another factor that can effect program speed is the number of file handles and
the number of record locks available.  Of course you should follow Computer
Associated recommendations but I would have files set to 255 minimum and share
locks to 1000 minimum.  If you are running DOS 4.01 on the server make sure
that share is loaded in the config.sys file with the install command.

Finally if you are not running NOS 3.03 I would update soonest, 3.03 is about
15% faster than 3.0 and 3.02.


Rick Roth

#: 1153 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  13:53:51
Sb: #Lantastic?
Fm: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132
To:  75300,1377 (X)

TO: 75300,1377

FROM: 71327,132

RE: Lantastic?

I am very interested in "linking" a 386 AT to a 286 AT (both clones).  By
"linking," I mean a minimum of running programs and reading/writing files on
one computer from the other.  I am determined to minimize the $ costs while
maximizing the performance.  In doing some research, two of your products have
caught my interest: Lantastic w/ the 2 Mbps adapters, and Lantastic Z.  I
would appreciate it if you could answer some questions before I plunk down
some money <g>.  FOR EACH PRODUCT:

-how much conventional memory does the NOS take, assuming availability of
EMS/XMS/"high" RAM?

-how compatible w/ Quarterdeck's DESQview, QEMM386, QRAM?

-how compatible w/ Windows 3?

-also, if you can, can you compare Lantastic Z to Traveling Software's
DeskLink?

Thank you in advance for your patience!

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#: 1159 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  17:01:06
Sb: #1153-#Lantastic?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132 (X)

Roberto

With extendend/expanded memory available and a memory manager like qemm or
qram or 386 TO The Max the system will can use as little as 0K.  With our 2mbs
ram daughter board the 2 mbps system will use 0K no matter how much memory is
available.  Without extended/expanded memory or the daughterboard the 2mbps
uses 42k for a server and 12k for a work station.

LantasticZ is a Full network the only difference between the Z product and the
rest of our line is speed.  The programs are the same, the interface is the
same, etc.

Windows will run in the enhanced, standard, and real mode on workstations and
with our current version in the standard and real mode on a server. Desq will
run or a lantastic workstation but not on a server.

Windows will not run well on LantasticZ unless you use the parallel port
connection.

Rick Roth

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#: 1177 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  19:24:53
Sb: #1159-Lantastic?
Fm: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Thanks, that was prompt!

So even Lantastic Z has the same memory requirements as Lantastic 2Mbps? That
is, on a 386/286 with EMS/XMS/"high" RAM, the memory hit will be as low as 0K
conventional memory?  If so, outstanding!

Your answers for Windows and DESQview were to the point.  As for Windows and
Lantastic Z, I was planning to use the parallel connection anyway, if I bought
it.

Again, thanks.

Robert

#: 1178 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  19:29:47
Sb: #1159-Lantastic?
Fm: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

.. I forgot to ask some other things ...

If I purchase Lantastic Z, is upgrading to the 2Mbps version as simple as
purchasing the 2Mbps adapters themselves, or does upgrading require a NOS
upgrade?  It would be nice to buy this in stages, as it were.

Also, does the NOS require a "window" in the memory addresses between 640K and
1024K for its use?  If so, how big is it?  Is it relocatable (to other
addresses, e.g. from CE00 to D800)?

Again, thanks.

Robert

#: 1154 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  14:46:18
Sb: #unzip the bulet.zip file
Fm: jim geoghegan 72621,225
To:  75300,1377 (X)

Rick: Thanks for the information. But being a new user what utility do I use
to expand the zip file. thanks

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#: 1160 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  17:01:14
Sb: #1154-unzip the bulet.zip file
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: jim geoghegan 72621,225 (X)

Jim

You should use pkunzip.  Pkunzip is part of a share ware utility from PKWare.
You can find it in the file pkz110.exe.  This file is available in PKWares
section of PCVENC.

Rick Roth

#: 1155 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  15:52:05
Sb: #Lantastic & EMM
Fm: Joseph Midgett 76366,572
To: ALL


Since my last question was answered by Rick Roth so quickly, I'll post another
to keep the forum busy!

I have an AST Premium/286 running as a print server under Lantastic NOS. It
would be nice to run the network software from expanded memory. I believe
REMM.SYS handles it on the AST 286s. Any suggestions in this arena? (We have
386 users doing it, so there must be a way to induce this AST slowpoke to do
the same!)

jm

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#: 1161 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  17:01:23
Sb: #1155-#Lantastic & EMM
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Joseph Midgett 76366,572

Joseph

I have seen nothing but problems with AST's memory manager, I would recommend
you use QRAM from quaterdeck.  The best way to speed up the print server is to
move the print spooler to a ram disk.  Preferably a large one.  You can do
this from within net_mgr once the ram disk is setup, go into net_mgr select
queue maintanence and move queue.  The system will move the queue to ram disk
automatically thereafter.

Rick Roth

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#: 1183 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  21:01:28
Sb: #1161-#Lantastic & EMM
Fm: John Lorenc 72357,2265
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Pardon me for jumping in here, but I am successfully using AST's REMM on a
Premium '286 with QRAM.  In fact you must use REMM or QRAM does not work. I am
able to create a high memory area for loading TSR's of 128K.  Lotsa room for
Lantastic.

Works for me!

John.

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#: 1186 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  21:18:03
Sb: #1183-Lantastic & EMM
Fm: michael schuyler 76367,3300
To: John Lorenc 72357,2265

On a related note, I'm running a workstation with Quarterdeck's QEMM, but
discovered I had do disable a 32K chunk so the RAMBASE would work. QEMM has a
disable function, and once i mapped out this area (I think it was D000-D7FF,
I'm not in front of that machine) the LANBIOS worked fine.

#: 1168 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  17:45:56
Sb: #Lantastic Wish List
Fm: Geoff Bannoff 72271,1203
To: Rick Roth  Artisoft 75300,1377

Wish list - for future versions of Lantastic.

The NET MAIL would be much more useful to us if:

1) One command (e.g. NET MAIL) would lead directly to the incoming/outgoing
message screen, with no access to the rest of the NET menu (except maybe
the NET CHAT option).  Most of my users don't know what they are doing, and
could all too easily disconnect themselves.
2) Make it easier to send mail to multiple recipients.  Have it so when the
'Mailing List' appears on the screen you can flag and unflag names, so you
could send the same message to all of them.
3) Show the user's description as well as their name on the 'Mailing List'
screen
4) Have an option to PRINT the incoming or outgoing message.  Currently you
have to copy it to PRN or something like that.  A print option could
automatically include some header (e.g. "NETWORK MAIL") or a user-created
text file with the company logo,  and the To:, From:, Date and Time info.

We don't use your mail system, because it lacks the above features.  But it
would make it easier if we could.
Thanks.

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#: 1199 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  08:13:07
Sb: #1168-Lantastic Wish List
Fm: Pat Attanasio 72401,371
To: Geoff Bannoff 72271,1203

Rick,

Count my vote for all of those items... especially #2.  In addition to
multiple recipients, sending messages by user group would also be nice.

For example, I have my usercodes setup into groups as follows:

    ADMIN-*
    SYSTEMS-*
    OPS-*
    CS-*

All usercodes are prefixed by a usercode group name.  This makes setting
resource access a snap.  I would like to be able to broadcast msgs to an
individual group.

Granted, an implementation as described by Geoff would be sufficient; my
groups are not that big <yet>.   As long as your under the hood...


Regards - Pat

#: 1171 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  18:27:03
Sb: Lantastic and Gateway
Fm: Ed Thieberger 73520,617
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Thanks for all of the information and advice you've been providing me over
CompuServe.  With your help and the help of others in this forum and the IBM
Communications forum, I've managed to get a reasonably informed view of what
things I should be thinking about in order to get our company's new LAN up and
running.

In your last communication to me, you recommended the WD8003 adapter to run
Lantastic with 10BaseT twisted pair.  I've since heard good things about
Gateway Communications adapters and hubs.  Although I don't see their adapter
on the compatibility list for Lantastic/AI,  they assure me that they have a
NETBIOS driver that is compatible with Lantastic.  I understand that Artisoft
does not currently provide a driver for this board, but that one is in the
works.  I know that you can't divulge information about products under
development, but could you confirm that Gateway's G/Ethertwist adapters will
run with Lantastic using their driver?

Thanks.

-Ed



#: 1185 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  21:17:39
Sb: EtherLink
Fm: John Graham 74166,3727
To: All

We are currently running an ancient version of Novell's NetWare (V2.4, circa
1984).  We are using 3Com EtherLink cards which are as old as the software.

Now we are upgrading our IBM PC's to (I think) Gateway 2000 386-25,  and would
like to change over to a peer-to-peer Lantastic Network.   As far as I can
see, however, the EtherLink cards are not NetBIOS compatible (did then even
have NetBIOS back then?).  Does anyone know whether Lantastic A/I would work
on these cards, and if not, where I can find a driver to make it work?  If so,
what sort of performance penalty would we pay by not going to Artisoft
Ethernet Cards (we will be using, about 25% each, a Clipper written database,
Wordperfect, a spreadsheet, and misc. other items, with a Desqview 386 shell.

Also, assuming a 4 node LAN, two with hard disks, can these two hard disks be
made to appear with the same drive letter on all 4 machines?

Thanks for any help.  I can't wait to make the upgrade and enter the 90's!
-John

#: 1192 S2/Artisoft
    01-May-91  22:11:54
Sb: Wish List
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

I would like to second Geoff Bannoff's requests on NET MAIL (message 1168),
especially item #1.  Most of the people I support are kept out of the
interactive NET menu because of the problems they could incurr selecting some
of the menu choices.  Which leads to another wish (I knew there was something
I forgot), the ability to restrict access to certain areas of the NET menu -
or even better, the ability to hide from the user some of the selections.

[Rupert]






#: 0 S0/Forum Announcement
    3-May-91   15:19:35
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
To:

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#: 1240 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  20:35:41
Sb: #1010-#Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks for the fax, Rick but good news-- I dont think I need it.  I moved the
QEMM page frame to a faster memory area and it seems to have cured all
problems.  As I told you the -feel- of the problem was that it related to
memory in some way.  The fact that it didn't always happen,   the lockup of
other programs, etc. Hope to hope that cures it permenently.  If not, I still
have the form.  So here's to the END of this thread.

Ken

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#: 1266 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:49
Sb: #1240-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423

Ken

Thanks for the feedback, our lab spends days working on the problems just to
find something like this,  it is a releif not to have to do this.

Rick Roth

#: 1208 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:55:13
Sb: #1182-WHICH LAN TO USE?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747

Arch

Lantasic 2mbps uses 42k as a server and 14k as a workstation, Ethernet sues
54k and 24k.  All of this can be loaded high with a memory manager(not
included), so the overhead can actually be in negative numbers.

The lan sill slow each computer slightly, more so on the server than on the
workstations.  Network access of disk drives is slower than local access to a
hard drive.

The network is transparent to the end user.  All they see is that now they
have a hard drive where they did not used to have one. A c: and d: drive on a
floppy based system, a e: and f: od a system the once only had a c: and d:.
The network is only slightly more difficult for the administrator. You have to
add 5 to 10 lines to the autoexec.bat file on each workstation. There is even
a menu driver system that will let you set up your logins and drive
connections(redirections) and then generate a batch file with the commands you
need to add to the autoexec.bat, all you need to do then is merge the file.

Installation is simply a matter of typing install and hitting enter 6 times.
This will install the system in default configuration.  You may need to edit
one line to accommidate changing the IRQ on the card to allow for a conflict
with your hardware.

And of course you have unlimited FREE technical support here on CI$, by
calling our Arti-Facts BBS as [phone], or our Phone techsupport at
[phone].

Rick Roth

#: 1242 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  21:16:13
Sb: #975-#16550 UART
Fm: michael schuyler 76367,3300
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201

Gee, I may not be able to count, it is true, but the funny thing is I just
received two 1650 UART's in the mail from JDR (as per my last message to you),
and lo and behold! they have 40 pins! (20 on a side, strangely enough) I'm at
a loss how these could be used as a replacement for a 28 pin device. (Note:
the 8250 is also listed as a 40 pin device.)

So, I guess I'll go back to counting school. But maybe you should, too.

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#: 1243 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  21:17:17
Sb: #1242-16550 UART
Fm: michael schuyler 76367,3300
To: michael schuyler 76367,3300 (X)

Gee, I better go back to typing school, too. Those are 16550 UARTS!

#: 1211 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:55:28
Sb: #1194-16550 UART
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: wiley gustafson 72271,201

Wiley

We are in the process of re writing all our manuals I will pass your concerns
on to our technical writers,  You are right anything we can do to prevent you
from having to make several calls into tech support no matter what the reason,
will help us all out. (Did you ever have one of those days when even your dog
chewed you out :-) )

Rick Roth

#: 1247 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  22:49:24
Sb: #1011-Lantastic
Fm: Rick McGee 71660,2270
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

Thanks for the quick response...I look forward to getting the literature.

                                              Rick McGee

#: 1207 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:55:00
Sb: #1181-#New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

The price difference is because the people who bought NOS/AI bought an
unlimited version.  They upgrade from their unlimited version to unlimited
version on Lantastic/AI 4.0 (it's successor) for $249.00.  The people who
bought Lantastic/AI single user will be able up upgrade to Lantasic/AI single
user for $50/node or $100/network. If they wish to convert from Lantastic/AI
v3.03 single user to Lantastic/AI 4.0 unlimited(because a unlimited user
version of LAN/AI v 3.03 was not available) their full purchase price will
apply towards their conversion(up to 25 nodes). Of course none of this applies
until Lantasic 4.0 is released.

What kind of adapter cards are you using and how are they configured, what
type of video in the server, and what version of Dos is in the server?

Rick Roth

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#: 1239 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  20:09:12
Sb: #1207-#New Files
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

Now THAT pricing scheme seems completely reasonable to me, thank you for
taking time to explain the _future_ upgrading plans.  Just one more question
(yeah I know, I've probably said that about ten times know <g>), what exactly
would the $100/network entail.

As for the lockup problems we are having, the adapter cards are WD8013EBs
configured to RAMBASE=CC000, IOBASE=240, MSDOS 3.3 and a Hercules Graphics
card.  I'm not sure if I mentioned in my last message that the screen won't
freeze until the SERVER program is loaded.

[Rupert]



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#: 1263 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:24
Sb: #1239-New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341

Rupert

The $100.00 per network is one installation disk that takes the current serial
number off of the previously installed Lantastic/AI, one disk to update the
entire network.  The $50.00/node is a new and differently serialized version
of the software.

I would reccommend trying the rambase=d000 and use the /eight switch on the
wd8003 driver.

Rick Roth

#: 1248 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  01:04:54
Sb: #1144-#10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Brian Roth 75236,265
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Hi, Rick.  Just got back on an _exciting_ flight from Dallas (severe weather
in the area).  I follow the NOX/LanAI concept you are describing.  It's nice
to have this level of support.

Before I left town, I did look over the LanAI listing of compatable boards,
but didn't see any "obvious" 10BaseT cards on the list.  I guess I need to
cross reference the WD numbers, but they are getting out of the biz.  <sigh>

Brian




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#: 1268 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:59
Sb: #1248-10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Brian Roth 75236,265

Brian

The WD are the only obvious ones, I understand that most of the manufactures
are making 10 base T versions now.  How soon are you going to be putting in
this network?

Rick Roth

#: 1250 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  01:13:44
Sb: #1148-#Remote acesss
Fm: SM Schwartz 76077,1323
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

hmmmm ........ can they all or any run under windows?

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#: 1269 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:26:03
Sb: #1250-Remote acesss
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: SM Schwartz 76077,1323

I do not know for sure. I would check with the nmanufacture I do believe that
Crosstalk has a windows version.


Rick Roth

#: 1259 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  08:02:02
Sb: Remote acesss
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: SM Schwartz 76077,1323

SM Schwartz,

Since I'm not a big windows fan, (It gets in the way), I have never tried to
run cc under Windows.

Sorry,

Hunter

#: 1226 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  15:02:25
Sb: #1152-Node/Server Perf Diffs?
Fm: Steve Bier 76010,1627
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick...Thanks for the incredibly quick, complete response.  You've given us
much to chew on!  -SJB



#: 1205 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:54:42
Sb: #1177-#Lantastic?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132 (X)

Robert

Lantastic Z does use about 20k more memory than 2mbps, but you can load it all
high so the hit on conventional memory is the same WITH an expanded memory
manager like  qemm, that allows you to load programs high.

Rick Roth

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#: 1219 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  13:15:01
Sb: #1205-#Lantastic?
Fm: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick

"Lantastic Z does use about 20k more memory than 2mbps . . ." so how much is
20k more than 2Mbps?

I don't mean to be persistent, but I use DESQview heavily, and memory lost
from "high" RAM means smaller windows in DESQview.

Robert

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#: 1261 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:12
Sb: #1219-Lantastic?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132

Roberto

2mbps takes up 42k in a server and 14k in a workstation.

Rick Roth

#: 1206 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:54:51
Sb: #1178-#Lantastic?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132 (X)

Roberto

We do not have an upgrade path between versions, you will need to purchase a
new copy of nos if you move between LanZ and Lan/2mbps.  The NOS lists for
$99.00.  The 2mbps cards do require 32k between 640k and 1 MB this is
addressable at A0000h A8000h B0000h C0000h C8000h D0000h D8000h(the default)
E0000h.  This address is set by a command line option jumper changes are not
needed.  The card will attempt to autoconfigure itself with the /auto option
on the netbios.

Our ethernet cards no not use any memory between 640k and 1m.  All the memory
on these cards is addressed through the 32byte ioport address in lower memory.
This is set at 300h by default and is selectable through jumpers to 320h 340h
and 360h.

All our current cards use irq 2-7, 10, and 15.  This is software selectable on
the 2mbps cards and jumper selected on the ethernet cards.

Rick Roth

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#: 1220 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  13:18:40
Sb: #1206-#Lantastic?
Fm: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick

I sure pos(t)ed my questions to the right guy! :)

If there is no upgrade path from Z to 2Mbps, then buying the whole 2Mbps
package must be cheaper than buying the individual components (2 x 2Mbps
cards, NOS, cable), yes?

Robert

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#: 1262 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:17
Sb: #1220-Lantastic?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Roberto Esguerra 71327,132

Roberto

I beleive you save $1.00 if you buy a starter kit rather than build one
yourself.

Rick Roth

#: 1210 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:55:22
Sb: #1186-Lantastic & EMM
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: michael schuyler 76367,3300 (X)

Michael

That's correct with you 2mbps cards you must EXCLUDE a 32k chunk of upper
memory this where the shared memory for the coprocessor chip on the card. This
memory in not wasted as most of the netbios loaded into this area.

Rick Roth

#: 1209 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:55:16
Sb: #1183-Lantastic & EMM
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John Lorenc 72357,2265

John

Thanks for the information.  I will go back and see what we did wrong.

Rick Roth

#: 1204 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:54:35
Sb: #1171-Lantastic and Gateway
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ed Thieberger 73520,617 (X)

Ed

Their cards with their previos version of netbios drivers were listed as
compatable, we have not tested their newer version for compatability. We do
offer a 30 day money back policy on all our products.

Rick Roth

#: 1212 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:55:34
Sb: #1185-#EtherLink
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John Graham 74166,3727 (X)

John

If you can get a compatable netbios from Performance Technology ( they write
third party netbios drivers for many cards) you may be able to get the cards
to work with our Lantastic/AI.  You may find that when you add the extra cost
of the PT Netbios to the per node cost of the LAN/AI you could convert to our
AE2 Cards much cheaper, and of course have an easier time adding additional
computers later.

I am on vacation now, writting this from a lap top by the pool ;-) but I will
post PT's telephone number on Monday, unless someone else has it handy?

Rick Roth

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#: 1236 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  18:03:36
Sb: #1212-EtherLink
Fm: John Graham 74166,3727
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thank's Rick, I alreay have PT's number.  First, I think they only support the
Etherlink II and Etherlink Plus.  I have a 1984 Etherlink.  Anyone know if the
drivers would work with it?  Second, I had called PT at the suggestion of
3Com.  I was told that to get the drivers, I had to purchase their networking
software.  Perhaps the salesperson and I just did not connect <g>.  -John


#: 1213 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  10:55:41
Sb: #1192-#Wish List
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

Unfortunately the only thing you can do for now is hide the menu entirely. If
you delete net.mnu, all the net commands except chat will work fine but net
alone will just give an error message.

I am printing and passing all the comments in this wish list string on to our
products manager, even if I do not comment on each one.

Rick Roth

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#: 1238 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  20:09:03
Sb: #1213-Wish List
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks for the tip.  Your products manager may want post the top ten of the
Wish List every once in a while to generate more input (negative and positive)
on desired features - just a thought.

[Rupert]



#: 1251 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  01:17:27
Sb: #1213-Wish List
Fm: SM Schwartz 76077,1323
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Add my name to the list wanting mail seperated from othert lan fgns.

#: 1221 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  13:55:12
Sb: #Lantastic & 5250
Fm: Jonathan Spangler 71560,322
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

We have an IBM 5250 board and the Lantastic 2 Mbps board installed in 4
machines:

(2) AST 286s running MS-DOS v3.30
(1) AST 386sx running MS-DOS v4.01
(1) IBM PC running PC-DOS v3.10

The 5250 emulation boards have been installed with the Lantastic boards for
quite some time, although the Lantastic software has not been installed.

I am using the default settings on the 5250 card and the Lantastic card. On
the ASTs, I am able to use the 5250 card (connects to an AS/400) with
Lantastic loaded (all machines operate as servers).

The IBM PC, however, doesn't allow the Lantastic server software to be
loaded *and* have access to the 5250 card.

Questions:

1. Do I need to upgrade the DOS on the IBM PC to v3.30?

2. Should I use "LANBIOS2 /IRQ=2" in my batch file to eliminate interrupt
conflicts?

Thank you for your support,
Aloha,
Jonathan



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#: 1264 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:31
Sb: #1221-Lantastic & 5250
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jonathan Spangler 71560,322

Jonathan

I do not know the default Irq for the 5250 card but you do want to avoid any
irq comflict.  On the pc irq 3 is com2 ( internal modem, bus mouse, lantastic
card at default, com2) irq 4 is com1 irq 5 is Hard drive controller, irq 6
floppy drive controller, irq 7 lpt1.  It would appear that 2 and 3 are the
only possible free irq's.  One NIC should be on 2 and the other on 3.
Lantastic runs very well on DOS 3.01, DOS 3.03 and DOS 4.01, there is no
reason to switch because of Lantastic, the 5250 terminal emulation package may
have other requirements.  I prefer DOS 3.03.

Rick Roth

#: 1225 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  14:49:45
Sb: #Intermittent Problem
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 76050,1210

        I have a client with an intermittent network problems. The server
works fine all the time, but the closest workstation goes up and down.   They
are both running clones with AMI BIOSs and they have AE2 cards that are only a
month or so old.
        I have checked the cable and when I am out there everything works
fine. It all worked fine until the other day when they had a cable break way
down the line, but we have isolated these two from that part of the cable.
        Any clues? I'm stumped.
                -cjh

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#: 1265 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:43
Sb: #1225-Intermittent Problem
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143

Curtis

I would have to guess from the above information.  The first thing to check is
the total overall cable length from terminator to terminator must be less than
600' or 900' with ALL AE2 cards set for non standard.  Next run lancheck on
the machines in question.  If lancheck locks upon entry of exit pretty good
sigh of irq or iobase conflict.  Look at the Lancheck network statistics, high
number of crc's and allignment errors show a bad cable, a very high number of
collisions will point to a faulty adapter.

Make sure that you are not running any tsr's of device drivers before the
network, do not load the network software from a menu program.  Have you been
able to determine any specific programs that may be involved?  I would check
out all settings on the cards make sure that the ae2 command line matches the
jumpers on the card.  Beware the com2 defualt irq setting for out card.  If
the computers are AST's or if nothing else works try moving jumper w8 to
position b non standard buss timing.  If problem stil presists leave message
with computer type, chipset, video board, hard disk controller, DOS, NOS, and
any other cards in computers.

Rick Roth

#: 1241 S2/Artisoft
    02-May-91  20:44:11
Sb: #Library index
Fm: Steve Gutterman 72561,2553
To: Rick Roth

Rick,

    Is there a file index, with descriptions, anywhere in the Artisoft
library?  I've heard reference to several interesting files while "skulking"
the messages, but am having a hard time finding what I want.  Glad to see that
you folks have a forum here on CIS, we're about to substantially enlarge our
Lantastic net, and I suspect you'll be hearing from me!

                                        Steve Gutterman


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#: 1267 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:25:54
Sb: #1241-Library index
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Steve Gutterman 72561,2553

Steve

There is not one yet, I am still in the process of uploading all the files
from the Arti-Facts BBS, I will be making one soon.

Rick Roth

#: 1258 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  07:01:59
Sb: #Lantastic on notebook
Fm: Cliff Court 76645,177
To: All

Is there a way to use a notebook PC into a Lantastic network that is using
2MBit cards? If I had an Ethernet Lantastic netowrk, could I use the Xircom
Adapter for laptops? Any help appreciated. - Cliff Court

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#: 1270 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  10:26:09
Sb: #1258-Lantastic on notebook
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Cliff Court 76645,177

Cliff

Currently the only way is to use LantasticZ this will allow the laptop to
access one server on the network but not the entire network.

Rick Roth

#: 1271 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  12:58:04
Sb: PCPLUS & Lantastic
Fm: Ron Watson 76320,214
To: all

I have a Zeos 20mhz 386sx operating as a server on 10mbs net.

The machine is only used as a printer server and to handle pc-to-mainframe
communications with an Attachmate SDLC board.  Occaisionally, it is used to
"download" data from bar-code readers using PCPLUS ver 2.

Everything works fine except the download.  AT 9600 or 19200 baud, some data
is sporadically trashed: dropped or inserted chars, no actual garbage.  The
frequency of the errors suggests that it is connected to the AE2 card polling
or being polled.  Doing same operation without server s/w works fine.
Removing the Attachmate s/w has no effect.

AE2 card is configured with irq=10.  There is no other s/w in use except
LANCACHE running in extended memory.

It is a pain to take down the network to do these downloads, and this machine
is the ideal one for us to use.  I am willing to replace PCPLUS, if that will
help.

Any ideas?

Ron









#: 0 S0/Forum Announcement
    7-May-91   6:24:32
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
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#: 1409 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:07
Sb: #1266-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Ken

Received your fax dated 5-3 15:20 I suppose this means the problem is back? I
will start the paperwork to pass it on to the lab.

Rick Roth

#: 1379 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  08:15:24
Sb: #1208-#WHICH LAN TO USE?
Fm: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick: Thanks for the advice. The same day I sent you the message some guy from
Nov Novell was here trying to sell me on his stuff. I asked hime to give me
quote and to include an explanation of why I should not use Lantastic - It
should be interesting to se waht they have to say. I also told him that I
heard the Novell was a pain in the butt and he kind of stammered.
 Back to your product, I understand the 10mbps is the Lantastic system to use
use. From what I am reading in you message, It will require 54k of memory?
 Thanks for the help. Arch Willingham

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#: 1407 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:48:53
Sb: #1379-WHICH LAN TO USE?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: ARCH WILLINGHAM 71021,2747

Arch

Yes, it will require 54k on a server.  The entire network can be loaded high
with a memory manager like QEMM or 386TTM so the effective usage of
conventional memory can be very low.

This low ram usage is one of our best points.  Other peer to peer networks can
also be loaded high but they take up so much ram that they HAVE to be loaded
high and then you have no room to load anything else into upper memory. (Sorry
about the add I do not know what came over me.)

Rick Roth

#: 1314 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  13:31:14
Sb: #1242-16550 UART
Fm: wiley gustafson 72271,201
To: michael schuyler 76367,3300 (X)

Got me there -

I went back and recounted the number of pins - you are right.  There are
twenty per side.  Counted one side; then counted the other.  Both the same.
Even tried counting all pins - still forty.

Wonder which chip I was counting when I got the 28 count ??? Maybe I was
counting the right chip but got interrupted ???

BTW - while the 16550 chip is expense, it does wonders.

#: 1325 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  21:50:08
Sb: #1211-#16550 UART
Fm: Ed Feins 70160,310
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

RE: Manuals ...

I don't like those new "book bound" manuals at all .... the spiral bound are
MUCH easier to open on a desk when fighting a clients problems <grin>.

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#: 1408 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:00
Sb: #1325-16550 UART
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ed Feins 70160,310 (X)

Ed

Yes, but the hard edges of the manuals make it so much easier when fighting
the client.  I like the spiral manuals too, oh well thats progress.  I will
pass your concern on to production.

Rick Roth

#: 1285 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  18:33:01
Sb: #1263-#New Files
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks again for all your help, I will try the different RAMBASE - I already
have the -eight switch on.  Any idea when you will have an updated driver
available, enabling the use of the full 16-bit data path.

[Rupert]



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#: 1406 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:48:43
Sb: #1285-New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

We are always working on the drivers to obtain greater compatability, we have
not announced a release date for new versions of the WD8003 driver though.

Rick Roth

#: 1286 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  19:01:28
Sb: #1268-#10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Brian Roth 75236,265
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Hi, Rick.  I called a friend today to try and cross ref the WD numbers into
"useful descriptions", and I'll chat with him later tonight or this weekend.

My 2 projects were slated to happen "last week" <g>, but I threw a bit of cold
water on the projects until I sort out the details.

Both are professional apps (a law office and an ad agency) that require
printer sharing _initially_, with plans to do a department/company wide file
management system soon thereafter.  Both want to start (and have the $$$ to do
it) ASAP.  As it turns out, I'm the gremlin preventing them from running out
and installing their "hearts desire".  <g>  Both shops rely on my judgment,
and I "ain't gonna do it" until I'm satisfied they are embarking on the proper
path.  FWIW, I would like to start making plans this month, since new PC's
need to be ordered, and the cable plant needs to be designed and implemented.
Hence, my somewhat urgent tone of voice!  <g>

Brian




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#: 1410 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:15
Sb: #1286-#10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Brian Roth 75236,265 (X)

Brian

I will be uploading a new compatability list with several Western Digital Part
numbers specifically for the 10 Base T cards.

Rick Roth

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#: 1442 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  22:40:18
Sb: #1410-10BaseT, Lantastic/AI
Fm: Brian Roth 75236,265
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Excellent news re. the WD 10BaseT list!  Be sure and post a message with an
appropriate header so I can spot it with Tapcis' "Q" mode.

Thanks for your assistance!

Brian

PS My client in Edmond and I both received our updates in the mail today. We
appreciate your quick response on this.

BAR




#: 1369 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  00:33:14
Sb: #1080-tape backup compatabilit
Fm: Shap Wolf 73300,352
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520

I've used both the Archive VP150 and the Colorado Jumbo 250 with Lantastic.
Both worked fine, although the batch mode of Colo. seems easier to set up.
(The Archive was moved to our QNX network; otherwise was fine.)

With the Jumbo, some workstations copy changed files to a directory on the
server; other workstations run server when they leave for the day. The Jumbo
is on my pc (Northgate 386/33, workstation only), and it backs up my (local)
disks, the server, then logs into all the other workstation/servers and backs
them up. We got the TC15 adapter card, which has the STAC compression chip,
and get a little over 2:1 on the 120MB tapes. Very fast.

About the directory--I just redirect the output to the printer and file it.
Would be just as easy to send it to a file, then search that to find right
volume to restore a file from. Hasn't been a problem so far. Also, the 250 and
TC15 don't appear to work with PCtools6 backup--although I didn't spend that
much time trying.




#: 1309 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  11:26:20
Sb: #1269-#Remote acesss
Fm: SM Schwartz 76077,1323
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

I am using Ctalk 4W now but I do not see how I can use that to access a
network.

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#: 1411 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:24
Sb: #1309-Remote acesss
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: SM Schwartz 76077,1323


I am sorry I see that is Remote 2 from Crosstalk that is listed as compatable
with Lantasic for Remote access.  Give crosstalk a call and see if they have
windows versions of Remote 2 or R2LAN.

Rick Roth

#: 1320 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  17:22:30
Sb: #1250-#Remote acesss
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: SM Schwartz 76077,1323 (X)

Hi,

I'm a user of Crosstalk's Remote 2 remote comm software.  I don't have a LAN
(yet) but it talks extensively in the book about how to remotely access a LAN
with it.  It says nothing about running under windows.

Who'd want to use Windows anyway?  I HATE WINDOWS! <g>

Rog.




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#: 1324 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  21:22:35
Sb: #1320-Remote acesss
Fm: SM Schwartz 76077,1323
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520

I hate IBM but I use the puter they satrted cause it works!

#: 1446 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  04:09:11
Sb: #1264-Lantastic & 5250
Fm: Jonathan Spangler 71560,322
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

You mentioned DOS 3.01 and DOS 3.03 --- What DOS versions are these?

I'm assuming that you ment DOS 3.10 and DOS 3.30.

The thing that's curious here is that there are 4 machines here:

(3) AT's with default setting 5250 cards and default LANtastic settings
    (all running DOS 3.30 or higher)

and

(1) IBM PC w/ default 5250 setting and default LANtastic settings
    (running DOS 3.10)

The 3 AT's are running *fine*. The PC *does not*.

Aloha,
Jonathan


#: 1401 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  14:01:34
Sb: #1265-Intermittent Problem
Fm: Curtis Hertwig 70511,143
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick -
        All the standard stuff has been checked. We got one CPU up off the
floor where it was wedged into a corner and that seems to have fixed the
problem. I think it was getting too hot down there. Poor ventilation.
        I'll let you know if that doesn't do it. Thanks.
                        -cjh

#: 1353 S2/Artisoft
    05-May-91  16:56:36
Sb: #1267-Library index
Fm: Steve Gutterman 72561,2553
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Thanks, Rick.  I'll keep an eye out for it.  Of course, a "notices"
announcement when it's ready would be really helpful (nudge, nudge)  ;-)

                                        Steve Gutterman


#: 1310 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  11:27:16
Sb: #1270-#Lantastic on notebook
Fm: SM Schwartz 76077,1323
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Why can't one use the xircoms?

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#: 1412 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:29
Sb: #1310-Lantastic on notebook
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: SM Schwartz 76077,1323


The Xircom Pocket Cards come in Ethernet or Arcnet unfortunately not in the
same flavor as our 2mbps cards.

Rick Roth

#: 1291 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  00:25:30
Sb: #1271-#PCPLUS & Lantastic
Fm: Benn Gibson 73055,1317
To: Ron Watson 76320,214 (X)


Ron,

This sounds a lot like a "16550 problem."  Characteristically, it affects a
machine that is receiving a high speed upload and whose resources are also
being used for other tasks (in this case, acting as a server).

If the term "16550" doesn't mean anything to you, it is a more capable UART
chip that replaces the one on your serial card (which might be an 8250 or a
16450).  It buffers incoming data, preventing the loss of characters you
mentioned.

The chip itself is inexpensive--under $25 from somewhere like JameCo.  The
official number is, I believe, NS16550AN or NS16550AFN (two chips, either
works).

Procomm Plus 2.0 recognizes and is supposed to work with the 16550 chip (lots
of terminal software doesn't).  I have heard of a few shakedown problems, and
am not sure if DataStorm has resolved them or proposed workarounds.  You might
check the DataStorm forum to see what the current status is.

Benn Gibson



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#: 1413 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:39
Sb: #1291-PCPLUS & Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Benn Gibson 73055,1317 (X)

Benn

Another thing you may want to try is removeing the write delays from the
lancache command line.  We have several other people report the same problems
with downloads on a server, it seems that when the current version on Lancache
has write caching enabled it takes over all irqs when making the writes, this
can cause the problem.  In every case adding the after_write_delay=0 and the
Long_write_delay=0 to the lancache command line cured the problem.  We are
working on this problem.

Rick Roth

#: 1280 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  16:50:09
Sb: #adapter
Fm: emilio rincon 73107,1334
To: emilio rincon

I have a pc250 from smc and when I try to install Lantastic AI 3.0 get the
message cannot load driver, driver for smc not found isn't compatible my lan
card ????




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#: 1414 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:46
Sb: #1280-adapter
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: emilio rincon 73107,1334

emilio

The 3.0 version on NOS/AI did not come with a compatable driver for the SMC
PC250 card you will need Performance Technologies Netbios driver for the card.
Performance Technologies number is 512-349-2000.  You will need to load the PF
netbios THEN our redir.exe and server.exe.

Rick Roth

#: 1288 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  21:26:47
Sb: #Compatability
Fm: Byron Johnson 71570,1126
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

Rick:
Why don't you upload some of the compatability notes to this forum from your
BBS?  In fact there are several files I saw that might be appreciated on CIS
too.
                //Byron\\

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#: 1415 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:49:55
Sb: #1288-Compatability
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Byron Johnson 71570,1126

Byron

All the compatability files from the BBS are here on CIS, I have zipped them
all into the file bullet.zip for quick download.  I have transfered 80% of the
files from the BBS here and soon will have ALL the public files here for
download.

Rick Roth '

#: 1289 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  23:37:54
Sb: #Notebook plug for 2MB?
Fm: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027
To: All

I am dying to get a notebook 386 computer but *must* be able to plug into my
network which is 4 nodes of AT's running the 2 MB adapter (2 DB 9 plugs, 1 M,
1 F).  I can not find any pocket adapter like the Xiricom (sp?) ones for
ethernet or arcnet.

1)  Is there such a wonderful product out there?

2)  If not, does any one have a solution, besides wait a year and spend $500
when the notebook makers who have promised a docking station actually make it
available?

3)  Yo, Arti, wise dohn't yous guys make one?

=Stuart=




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#: 1416 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:50:05
Sb: #1289-Notebook plug for 2MB?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027

Stuart


1. No, there is currently not a pocket adapter for 2mbps.

2.  You can use Lantastic/Z and the serial or parallel port cable to make the
connection, this will let you communicate with one server on your existing
network.  MSR $125.00.

3. I cannot comment on products that have not been released yet.

Rick Roth

#: 1290 S2/Artisoft
    03-May-91  23:38:04
Sb: #One way lockup problems
Fm: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027
To: All

I suddenly started having problems using Lantastic using the 2 MBS cards. I
have 2 machines. Both are AT clones with VGA 16 bit cards. I use phone line to
connect them. I know all about those potential problems, but I have been using
it thusly for several months with no problems. I have 3 megs. of RAM on one of
the ATs. I have the 640 conventional, 128 K expanded (because right now it is
LIM 3.2), and the rest extended. Recently I went from a 512K SmartDrv cache to
a 1.25 Meg. cache and added a 512 K RamDrive ram disk. The other machine has
the Lantastic memory daughter board.  Again, I have had the daughter board for
a couple of months, with no problems.

Here is the problem, on the the machine with the 3 Megs I can get a directory
of the other machine, but as soon as I start to do anything on the other
machine I get intermitent endless beep-beep blues.  I even lock up running a
batch file that is just copying one file on the server to another file on the
server.  I can be working all day, then bingo, lockup.  Or it could happen
right away.  It *never* locks up going the other way.

Thanks,

=Stuart=





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#: 1417 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:50:15
Sb: #1290-One way lockup problems
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027

Stuart

I would suggest you try our cable just once and see if the problem goes away,
running with cable at the wrong impedence can slowly damage the cards and
cause other problems.  Have you added any new software to the system, any new
tsr's besided the ram disk and cache.  Since you are using smartdrv are you
also using windows, and if so in what mode?  Have you excluded the rambase
memory area in the system.ini file?

Rick Roth

#: 1296 S2/Artisoft
    04-May-91  08:58:35
Sb: #MODEMS & FILE SERVERS
Fm: DAVID SYLVAIN 73710,1457
To: Y'ALL


                        RE:    USE   OF 6 EA. CARDINAL 9600 BAUD INTERNAL
                                                MODEMS WITH 4 DEDICATED PHONE
LINES

                        DESIGN:
                        A LOCAL AREA NETWORK RUNNING EIGHT WORKSTATIONS
                        ON AN 80386-33MHZ SERVER UNDER LANTASTIC NOS 3.0
                        WITH A SECOND FILE SERVER FOR REMOTE WORKSTATIONS
                        FOUR EACH REMOTE WORKSTATIONS WITH FOUR DEDICATED
                        TELEPHONE LINES. (4 AT SERVER PLUS 1 EA AT REMOTE)
                        PROBLEM: WHAT IS THE BEST METHOD TO USE THE FOUR
                        TELEPHONE LINES WITH THE CARDINAL MODEMS?

                        I SEEM TO BE MISSING A PIECE IN THE PUZZLE.
                        SOFTWARE?  AND/OR HARDWARE ? MULTI-PLEX? BOARDS?
                        COMMUNICATIONS SOFTWARE?

                        WOULD YOU OFFER A SOLUTION FOR THIS DESIGN?
                        AND SOME ALTERNATIVES?! SUGESSTIONS, COMMENTS?

                        THANK YOU,
                        DAVE SYLVAIN
                        FAX [phone]
                        COMPUSERVE 73710,1457

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#: 1418 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:50:24
Sb: #1296-MODEMS & FILE SERVERS
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: DAVID SYLVAIN 73710,1457

David

I know that Cross communications and I beleive J&L have packages that will
allow you to dial out using multiple modems over the network using Digiboard
multiport serial cards.  I know of no software that will allow multiple
telephone connections to a Lantasic Network through one computer.

Rick Roth

#: 1363 S2/Artisoft
    05-May-91  20:42:57
Sb: #Menu sys W/ Lantastic
Fm: Dror Frommer 72730,2304
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

I'm running Lantastic E2MG LAN with two computers.
I have an old menu system that use to setisfy all my needs.
When I tryed to run the two together, I no longer could access
the remote drive.
Is it a known problem? If yes, is there a fix?
Are their any menu systems that work with lantastic? Which?

Thanks.
Dror



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#: 1419 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:50:33
Sb: #1363-Menu sys W/ Lantastic
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Dror Frommer 72730,2304

Dror

There are several compatable menu systems listed in the file NOS.txt in
bullet.zip in the library.  Some of them are: Automenu 4.01, Direct Access,
Direct Net, Perfect Menu, Point & Shoot, and QuickMenu.

Be sure that the network is running before you start the menu software. DO NOT
RUN LANTASTIC FROM A MENU.

Rick Roth

#: 1366 S2/Artisoft
    05-May-91  22:05:53
Sb: #AE-2/mouse conflict?
Fm: Jay Hamby 71510,464
To: all

I have a client with a 7-PC Lantastic network, 10mbps Ethernet. All the PCs
are (nearly) identical ZEOS 386SX/16s, and all are configured as both client
and server.  I have Win3 running in standard mode, as well as WP 5.1, dBase,
etc.

Six of the PCs have mouses on COM1/9-pin, while the 7th has a HP IIP on this
port. The problem is that when I plug a mouse into the COM2/25-pin port it
causes that PC to lose its connection to the network.  Is this an interrupt
conflict with the Artisoft AE2 cards?  Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jay

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#: 1420 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:50:42
Sb: #1366-AE-2/mouse conflict?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jay Hamby 71510,464

Jay

All Artisoft adapter cards come set at irq=3(com2) by defualt, the cards can
be set to irq=2,3,4,5,6,7,10, or 15.  I would reccommend you use irq=10 or 15.
You change the Irq with jumper w1.  Your ae2 command line must match the
jumper setting.  If you change the jumper to irq=10 then the command line will
be ae2 irq=10.

Rick Roth

#: 1381 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  08:58:48
Sb: #LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Kenneth S. Federman 73700,1056
To: Rick Roth 75300,1377 (X)

Rick...

I'm about to suggest and install a 10MIPS, 6 station LANtastic network for a
small law firm.  A few questions...

1. Any suggestions/conflicts regarding... Wordperfect 5.1; Q&A; DR DOS 5.0
(server) & MS-DOS 3.3 (stations); R2 Host/Call; QEMM.

2. If I understand correctly, LANtastic itself has no menuing capability.  If
so, what menu software do you suggest?  Personally, I use DESQview.  The
newtork will use a Dell 386SX - 16 as a non-dedicated server, with 5 286-12
CompuAdd Stations.

Thanks for the help...
Best...  Ken

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#: 1421 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:50:55
Sb: #1381-LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Kenneth S. Federman 73700,1056 (X)

Ken

Dr. Dos is listed as incompatable with Lantastic and several of the other
packages you listed.  The only we have been able to get it to work, and then
not reliably is if EVERY computer on the net is running DR Dos.

The rest are all compatable and all are being used in house.  There are
several compatable menu systems, you can find a complete listing in the file
bullet.zip in the document nos.txt.  Some of the compatable ones are Quick
menu, Direct Access, and Point & Shoot.

Desq is compatable but will only run on a workstation NOT a server.

Rick Roth

#: 1382 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  09:39:32
Sb: #Lantastic Mail
Fm: David Wright 72357,3502
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377 (X)

I am using a 2mbps Lantastic network (brand new).  With four on the net and
each unit set as both a server and a workstation, we are having some confusion
using  the Mail function.  Is there a way to set up the mail system to
automatically default to store the messages on a single server?  It would be
simpler if everyone knew which server to look on for their mail.  Thanks.

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#: 1431 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  20:03:34
Sb: #1382-Lantastic Mail
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: David Wright 72357,3502

David

The easist way is to tell everyone to use one server for mail.  You can make
it mandatory by removing the mail resource on all but one server. You do this
by entering net_mgr - shared resources - and deleting @MAIL from all but one
computer.

Rick Roth

#: 1393 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  12:44:47
Sb: #AE-2 CARDS
Fm: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504
To: All

Is the AE-2 card 2mbps or 10mbps??  I could not find this info in my users
manual!!

Thanks,

Hunter

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#: 1432 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  20:03:42
Sb: #1393-AE-2 CARDS
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Hunter L. Bishop 76004,1504

Hunter

The AE2 cards are 10mbps ethernet cards. All ethernet cards are at least 10
mbps.

Rick Roth

#: 1403 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  16:57:54
Sb: #DR Dos
Fm: John Durrant 73607,1756
To: all

Does anyone know of problems running DR DOS 5 w/ Lantastic.  We seem to be
having some trouble.



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#: 1433 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  20:03:49
Sb: #1403-DR Dos
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John Durrant 73607,1756

John

DR Dos is listed as incompatable.  The only success we have seen is if all
computers on the network are runing DR Dos.

Rick Roth

#: 1404 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:04:38
Sb: #Lantastic Information
Fm: jim geoghegan 72621,225
To: all

To Lantastic Users.

Require information on where to get a Book other than the manual for Lantastic

thanks  Jim

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#: 1434 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  20:03:57
Sb: #1404-Lantastic Information
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: jim geoghegan 72621,225

Jim

As far as I know there is not a Lantastic specific book.  Microsoft Press has
one in the works but I have no idea when it will be released.

Rick Roth

#: 1422 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  17:56:39
Sb: #SHARE and BUFFERS
Fm: Jennifer Dixey 71250,1750
To:  75300,1377 (X)

Hi Rick. I've been reading the messages to and from you in this new Forum and
I wanted to ask a question about a couple of the pieces of advice you gave.
Can you elaborate on the following, or steer me towards some written
information about them? 1.      Advice to run DOS SHARE in CONFIG.SYS when
using DOS 4.01
        (I didn't know about this option. Why is it necessary?) 2.      Advice
not to load buffers high when using QEMM LOADHI. (Why not?) 3.      What are
the max/min file locks you can use in SHARE? 4.      I was told by a
consultant that SHARE should only be loaded on
        the fileserver. But I have two workstations with hard drives that
        are partitioned with DOS 4.01 in sizes over 32MB. What's the real
        story, Rick?

Thanks for your help. LANTastic is supposed to be incredibly easy to use, but
I (and the folks using the LAN) are convinced after three months of struggle
that (at least in some configurations) this just isn't true. I will greatly
appreciate any advice you can give me. Thanks.

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#: 1435 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  20:04:21
Sb: #1422-SHARE and BUFFERS
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jennifer Dixey 71250,1750

Jennifer

There is a file in our library that goes into great detail on the use of
share.  The filename is share.zip.  I will try to summarize.  With Dos 4.01
and partitions larger than 32mb DOS uses share to maintain the file Control
blocks for all files in the area beyond 32m.  Share is ideal for this because
it already maitains FCB's for file and record locking.  Dos will automaticall
load share if the partitions are larger than 32m.  It will do this is it can
find share in either the root directory or the dos directory.  If share is
loaded automatically the command line options you try to use later will be
ignored.  This means that share is running with 40 locks, hardly enought for
any application.  You load share with the install command the syntax should be
install=c:\dos\share.exe /l:250 .

2.  The advice on qemm loading high is from experience, many problems with
buffers loaded high, none with out, don't do that!

3.  The default min number of locks is 40 the maximum depends of the /f:
parameter  with /f at default you should be able to load about 8000 locks,
with /f:4096 you are down to slightly over 5000 locks.  The /f: is in bytes,
each /l: lock takes about 16 bytes, both have to share a 64k max data area.

4.  You really should not run share on a workstation. But you should not have
partitions larger than 32M without share.  One can give you locking problems,
the other than distroy files.  The best solution is not to have partitions
larger than 32m on a workstation.  But try to sell that!  One good argument is
that smaller partitions are faster (they really are).

Rick Roth

#: 1424 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  18:07:26
Sb: #Server Lockups
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

Rick,

I am still encountering lockup about every 4/5hrs on the server.  We are using
the LANtastic/AI with WD8013EB cards - WD8003 IOBASE=280 RAMBASE=D000 8-BIT
IRQ=10.  System has 2 paralel ports, 1 serial, WD MFM hard disk controller,
Hercules Compatible card and nothing else.  Super PCKwik is installed with /H-
& /D- using extended memory (2MB out of 4MB) as well as the Norton Anti-Virus
(I just realized that NAV was installed and tomorrow I will try loading
LANtastic without it to see if this helps).

The majority of lockups happen while Automenu 4.7's screen saver is running,
but they have had the computer lock-up twice while running Paradox 3.5 and are
now becoming quit concerned.

Any thoughts?

[Rupert]



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#: 1436 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  20:04:29
Sb: #1424-#Server Lockups
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

I will wait until I hear the results of removeing the NAV.  Make sure that you
are not loading any device drivers or tsr's before the network, and if I
forgot to mention it be sure not to start the network from within the menu
system, but rather before it.

Rick Roth

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#: 1438 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  21:24:42
Sb: #1436-Server Lockups
Fm: Rupert Heck 71660,3341
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

I believe PCKwik was loaded before the Network, so this could be the problem.
However, you mention that no device drivers should be loaded before the
Network - but since most of the drivers are loaded through CONFIG.sys (eg.
Norton Anti-Virus, PCKwik RAMdrive, etc) it is impossible to load the Network
before them or am I missing something?

Anyhow, I will let you know how things go tomorrow.

[Rupert]



#: 1437 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  20:24:59
Sb: LAN NETWORKING
Fm: Kenneth S. Federman 73700,1056
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick...

Thanks for the help.  One more question... Can I use DOS 4.01 - I would like
to use a disk partition more greater than 32 meg.

Thanks, Ken...

#: 1439 S2/Artisoft
    06-May-91  21:49:40
Sb: Lantastic Z print proble
Fm: John McAdams 72331,2346
To: All


We have a Lantastic Z zero-slot lan at work.  It connects a Zeos 386 with a
Gateway 386, with an HP Laserjet II connected to the Zeos.

There are two different, and chronic, problems associated with printing.

First,  the first page out of the printer tends to have a few garbage
characters at the top left-hand side of the page.

Second,  with some frequency a word is taken out of the *middle* of a line
about 2 inches down from the top of the page, and it is INSERTED IN THE LEFT
MARGIN OF THE DOCUMENT, on the line from which it was taken.  I don't know
what to make of this.

Anarkey is the only TSR we have installed.  DOS 3.3, if that makes any
difference.

Help!

John




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    8-May-91   9:41:36
Sb: Announcement
Fm: System
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#: 1473 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  19:02:33
Sb: #1266-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Well, as you may have realized when you got my fax the troubles returned.
Moving the page frame didn't do it.  I spent the entire day Saturday switching
hardware configuration and now have it set up so that the server is the 386/25
with the Conner IDE and the workstation is the 386sx/16 with the Compuadd
ESDI/Seagate.  This has licked the copy/xcopy/comp problem-- at least so far.
So I guess you can put my fax on the back burner (the problems it describes
are viable and true,  but moot).

I've still got a problem with dB4 which may or may not be network related (no,
its not the printing).  It also feels memory related (exception 13's turning
up), so I'll probably be back with more on this tomorrow and start a new
thread.  VERY discouraged.....

Ken

#: 1493 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  00:24:32
Sb: #1050-WordPerfect hang up
Fm: John McAdams 72331,2346
To: Mark Gordon 72550,2247

Mark,

Before you try QRAM or Move-Em, be advised that you need GOOD EMS to get much
benefit from either.  "Good" EMS translates into either a full hardware LIM4.0
board, or having the C&T NEAT clipset on your motherboard.

John

#: 1494 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  00:24:37
Sb: #1007-Windows and Lantastic Z
Fm: John McAdams 72331,2346
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

We have a Lantastic Z, and might want to install Windows on one machine.
Question:  which machine is the server and which is the workstation?  We have
both machines configured indentically, so the network looks symetrical as far
as I can see!

John

#: 1482 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  21:05:46
Sb: #1098-#New Files
Fm: Gary Saake 72361,1503
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick:

Gee, a change of heart out there in ArtisoftLand? I'm glad to see that you are
offering the 4.0 to us NOS/AI users for a reasonable sum and deciding that
there is a real market for *site* licenses. I don't think the $2,500 cost is
out of line for this type of arrangement.  Those of us with large (50+ node)
LANtastic networks really appreciate this option. As you may recall (like you
could forget) I was one of the more 'vocal' NOS/AI users when 3.03 came out.

A couple of questions though. Will the unlimited version require seperate
installation disks for each computer like Lantastic/AI, or will it work like
NOS/AI does now? And second, Will the unlimited version include the drivers
that LANtastic/AI includes, or just the WD8003 from AI-LANBIOS?

Thanks again.

Gary Saake
Your (once again) loyal customer


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#: 1500 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  08:57:45
Sb: #1482-New Files
Fm: John D. Stockton 76236,1577
To: Gary Saake 72361,1503

First time on the forum and have alot of questions about Lantastic/AI.  I am a
Novell CNE but have not used Lantastic so bear with me if I ask stupid
questions.  I have recently been thrust into networking a non-profit
organization that has no money.(Very little)  They have alot of old PC's and
clones.(7)  OK, now I have several SMC Arcnet cards and cable I can give them,
that brings me to an operating system,  will Lantastic/AI work with these
cards?  What do I need?  I've spoke with Artisoft and SMC on the phone and
nobody can tell me 100% that it will work.  These are 8 bit arcnet cards SMC
pc100's, pc120's , and pc-130's.  Do you know anyone who is using Arcnet with
Lantastic/AI?

#: 1476 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  19:34:58
Sb: #1369-tape backup compatabilit
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: Shap Wolf 73300,352

Hi Shap,

Thanks for the detailed reply.

I appreciate the benefit of your experience.

I've heard from another CISer that he has been running his Jumbo from PCtools6
and it's working fine.  Maybe a little more work/time......

Rog. <g>




#: 1475 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  19:34:54
Sb: #1324-#Remote acesss
Fm: Roger E Montague 73730,520
To: SM Schwartz 76077,1323 (X)

Hi SM,

You've certainly got a point there, But Big Blue isn't the only one that
builds reliable comps.  Dell and Northgate are the cream of the clones in my
book,  Compaq has turned out some nice machines, albeit pricey!

Rog.



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#: 1495 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  00:42:31
Sb: #1475-#Remote acesss
Fm: SM Schwartz 76077,1323
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520

Hmmm I never said that I used an IBM ... just that they STARTED the PC going.

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#: 1501 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  09:03:28
Sb: #1495-Remote acesss
Fm: John D. Stockton 76236,1577
To: SM Schwartz 76077,1323

Do you know who made the first PC ever?  It was a Radio Shack Model I and it's
in the Smithsonian now, sorry for the spelling.

#: 1455 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  10:02:32
Sb: #1446-#Lantastic & 5250
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jonathan Spangler 71560,322 (X)

Jon

Your right Dos 3.10 and 3.3x, so used to our numbers fingers got away from me.
I know what the default settings for our cards are, we make them, what are the
default settings for the 5250 cards?  Does the pc have a hard drive, does it
have 2 serial ports, 1 serial port and a bus mouse or internal modem?  The
obvious place to start checking is the interupts. The available irq 's are:
  irq 2 -> free   (Tandy and some other hard cards)
  irq 3 -> Default lantastic setting com2 bus mouse int modem etc
  irq 4 -> Com 1
  irq 5 -> Hard drive
  irq 6 -> Floppy controller
  irq 7 -> LPT1

As you can see there is not a lot of room in a PC.

Rick Roth

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#: 1498 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  03:33:11
Sb: #1455-Lantastic & 5250
Fm: Jonathan Spangler 71560,322
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Thanks for your message...I went back today and replaced the following line
in the AUTOEXEC.BAT:

LANBIOS2

with the line:

LANBIOS2 /IRQ=2

to force LANtastic to use interrupt 2 for all machines.

The 5250 card *may* be using IRQ 3, but the IBM documentation that comes
with the card is very poor. There is mention of the I/O address setting, but
I didn't see anything relating to interrupts...

Anyway, forcing LANtastic to IRQ 2 seemed to solve that one...

Question: customer is using Q&A v3.0 and now, with the machines setup at
LANtastic servers, they are running out of RAM while using the "File" (or
database) portion of a Q&A database.

How can I find out how much RAM each of the following takes?

LANBIOS2 = ?? K
REDIR = ?? K
SERVER = ?? K

Aloha,
Jonathan


#: 1492 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  00:24:14
Sb: Compatability
Fm: Byron Johnson 71570,1126
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick:
Thanks for the reply. I'll download the list now.
                Byron

#: 1485 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  22:03:45
Sb: #1416-Notebook plug for 2MB?
Fm: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Besides myself I've seen 2 other requests for a 2MBS "pocket" adapter for
notebooks in just the 3 days I've joined this forum.

Is that what marketing calls "user feedback"?

In true "All the president's men" fashion, while you can't *admit* what might
be coming before it is released, will you *deny* that Comdex-Atlanta '91 will
see the release of product(s) that would answer/solve this need?<g>

=Stuart=




#: 1447 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  08:41:56
Sb: #1417-#One way lockup problems
Fm: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377 (X)

They only changes were to make SmartDrv bigger and add the RamDisk in Extended
memory.  On the machine that locks up I am running Win 3.0 in Standard mode as
it is an AT. Anyways, because of the lock ups I have totally stopped running
Win 3.0.  It made no difference.

The pure and simple reason I want to try changing cabels last is because of
the cost.  Swaping cards from 1 machine to another, trying different SmartDrv,
TSR, or other memory settings is free. Switching over to your cabel would be
several hundered dollars which I could not recover, even if it doesn't help.
If I could order them on a trial basis, I'd be glad too.

What does a hub cost, and would it let me run the flat phone cable?

The big 3 questions which I *haven't* had answered yet here, or from "live"
tech. support, is 1) What causes a 1 way lock up  2)If it is the cabel, why
did it work so well for so long  3)Why can I do "Dir" and "CD" on the
"server", or run Lancheck for hours with only a 0-2% error, but as soon as I
try to run a batch file, which 1st changes to the server's drive (say "K"),
and then to a directory O.K. would lock up when it tries to do something like:
"Copy K:\AppDir\My_Setup K:\AppDir\Setup"?

=Stuart=



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#: 1456 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  10:02:43
Sb: #1447-#One way lockup problems
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027 (X)

Stuart

NOTHING will allow you to run flat phone cable reliably.  I did not suggest
you replace your cable, every starter kit comes with a 15' cable use this
cable to connect the two computers with this cable and see if it makes a
difference.  If the problem continues, swap cards and see if the problem
follows the card or stays with the computer.  If it stays with the computer
remove all TSR's and device drivers and again see if the problem continues.

Rick Roth

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#: 1486 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  22:13:24
Sb: #1456-One way lockup problems
Fm: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

The 2 machines I am having problems with are the farthest apart, about 100-150
feet, with one station, that is almost always turned off, in between.

But, I still don't understand why everything could work perfectly well for
months and suddenly go bad.  Also, why doesn't Lancheck show any problems?

=Stuart=




#: 1483 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  21:20:03
Sb: #1420-AE-2/mouse conflict?
Fm: Jay Hamby 71510,464
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick,

Thanks for the interrupt info.  I'm sure I could have found it in the manual
but it wasn't available where I was at the time.

Jay

#: 1474 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  19:17:24
Sb: #1435-SHARE and BUFFERS
Fm: Jennifer Dixey 71250,1750
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick, thank you so much for your information. I think the info about SHARE is
particularly important for us--like I said, we have 2 stations with 32+MB hard
drives, running DOS 4.01, and have been running SHARE on them both! As well as
the server! We're partitioning them down now, and will only load SHARE on the
fileserver now. I'll download the file, and read the rest of your message,
then I'll get back in touch. - J.D. P.S. - Sorry about how my message got
formatted, guess I shouldn't try to use tabs on here! :-)

#: 1453 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  10:02:07
Sb: #1438-Server Lockups
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Rupert Heck 71660,3341 (X)

Rupert

There are a few device drivers that are compatable, you must experiment with
them, when ever problems of this type arise, it is best to remove all drivers
and tsr's and them slowly reload them until the problem reappears. Disk
drivers, memory managers, and caches are about the only ones that are really
safe and not all of them.

Rick Roth

#: 1454 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  10:02:17
Sb: #1439-Lantastic Z print proble
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John McAdams 72331,2346 (X)

John

What version of lantastic are you using, does the print problem occur in every
program or have you been able to narrow it down to just one program? At what
point do you load the tsr?  The first thing to do with a problem of this type
is to set both computer up with a plain vanilla config.sys and NO autoexec.bat
file, run the network and see if the problem persists.

Rick Roth

#: 1472 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  18:19:47
Sb: NCache-F
Fm: Geoff Bannoff 72271,1203
To: Rick Roth  Artisoft 75300,1377

Seems like some of our servers are having sporadic lock-up problems -something
we haven't seen in a long time.  Last week, we upgraded our Norton NCache-F
from the July/90 version to the 12-11-90 version. Would that be the culprit?
Maybe you could check with your compatability people on this?

(Of course, we would like to use your cache, but it takes up too much DOS
memory.  However, I already gave you my vote for product improvements, so no
need to pass this one on.)

Thanks.
. Geoff

#: 1477 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  19:35:30
Sb: Lantasti.net
Fm: Sam Teague 72657,2741
To: Rick Roth, 75300,1377

To: Rick Roth, 75300,1377 From: Sam Teague Subject: lantasti.net Rick, I am
the new and proud owner of Lantastic and I must tell you that it is FANTASTIC!
I don't know how I lived without it.  As someone very new to networking, I am
having my share of problems, however.

I note that in the resource management area of net_mgr there is a menu choice
for (I think) controlling access to the LANTASTI.NET control directory.
However, it doesn't appear to function correctly.  I have a user without any
privileges who can delete, create, etc. files in this directory even though
the the ACL shows only Read, List, and Execute capabilities.  What am I
missing?


Second, I am trying to install Paradox 3.5 on Lantastic but am having trouble
getting paradox to run.  It says that I don't have access privileges to the
directory containing the PARADOX.NET file.  But I am a privileged user so I
can't understand what the problem is.  Any ideas?  Thanks in advance for your
help Sam

#: 1478 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  19:56:32
Sb: 386^Max
Fm: Mark Dahmke 70120,135
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

Hi Rick!   Nice forum.
I was running 2.57 until a few weeks ago, along with v4 of 386^max and
everything was working fine. I could load the lanbios and redir into high
memory.  I loaded your new 3.02 version, but now 386^max won't let me put
lanbios2 in high mem.  There is more than enough space for it, but it still
says 'not enough room.'  Do I need to
upgrade 386^max?

--mark

#: 1491 S2/Artisoft
    07-May-91  23:44:55
Sb: Compaq DOS 3.31
Fm: Matthew London 72600,2555
To:  75300,1377

Rick,

  A couple of questions. I've been using Compaq DOS 3.31 on my Lantastic
server and have experienced problems with corrupted files. The phone tech
support (Bob) told me that there had been an incompatibility report on the
Compaq DOS due to the SHARE. Can you provide more info ?
  As a safety precaution, I have stopped using Lancache (which another tech
reported some possible problems with, specifically with the cache-wr write).
I'm using PC-Cache from PC-Tools program. Any problems with that one ?
  And finally, I would like to get more information about Artisoft's Certified
Training Program.

Thanks... Matthew London

#: 1497 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  01:46:50
Sb: E-net cable lengths
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth Artisoft 75300,1377

Rick-

Can you clarify for me the mention of the 185 meter or 300 meter (depending on
jumper W7) segment length on the AE2 boards?  Are those distances the max
between any two given PCs on the network or are they the maximum distance
between the two end systems (the ones with the terminators)?

Also, what is the equivalent length for the 2MBPS network?

Thanks in advance.

Bye, Norman




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    8-May-91   14:09:15
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Fm: System
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#: 1518 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:36:55
Sb: #1473-#Comp in Desqview
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Ken Malkin 74730,2423 (X)

Ken

Exception 13 are commonly caused by loading dos buffers high, or at least that
is the first place I would check.  Lantastic is now a Ashton Tate supported
network, you may want to drop by their forum and see if they have any
reccommendations for running the three together.

Rick Roth

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#: 1545 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  18:52:43
Sb: #1518-Comp in Desqview
Fm: Ken Malkin 74730,2423
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

I licked the dBase problem-- tweaking dBheap did the trick.  I drop by the AT
forum regularly, but last time I asked they said Lantastic wasn't official.
That was about a month ago.  I'm too much a QEMM veteran to try loading
buffers high with DOS 4.01.  I dont even load Share high.   Files and FCBS are
up there with all your Lantastic stuff and that's enuf.

Meanwhile--- The Comp/Copy/Xcopy problem is still at hand.  It happened today
with the revised hardware setup I described yesterday.  I had 8 windows open
(no multitasking), and opened Norton Commander in window 9 with pleanty of ram
left.  I copied one file from the Wkstn to the server and quit Norton.  Then I
opened Bigdos and comped the entire directory from Wkstn to Srvr.  Comp failed
on the second file (not the one I copied).  I started to quit everything.
When I got to window 3 (Multiplan v 3.01) there was an Exception 13 waiting
for me there.  I think the reason for this is Multiplan was logged into the
directory I had comped (just a guess).  Ctl-Alt-Del in the window closed it
and I was able to get out of DV.  A comp in straight DOS worked fine.  The
copy worked (THIS time).

I hope you didn't throw away the fax.  Its no longer moot.  I realize your
Version 4.0 and Dos 5 will probably be out by the time your lab gets to it,
but my experience with upgrades of any kind leads me to be cautious about
installing them (I'm a dB4 1.0 vet).  Anyway, let me know if you need more
info.

Regards...

Ken

#: 1526 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:38:11
Sb: #1494-Windows and Lantastic Z
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John McAdams 72331,2346 (X)

John

The server is the machine that is running the server program, if both are than
both are servers.  Beware!  Windows is listed as incompatable with LANtastic/Z
I have received several reports that it will work if you use the parallel port
connection, or if you only run it locally.

Rick Roth

#: 1523 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:37:40
Sb: #1500-New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: John D. Stockton 76236,1577

John

There is a file arcnet.zip detailing one users experience with Arcnet. The PC
100's, pc 120's, and pc-130's are NOT listed as compatable, you may be able to
run them with a net bios from Performance Technology.

Rick Roth

#: 1522 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:37:32
Sb: #1482-New Files
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Gary Saake 72361,1503 (X)

Gary

The unlimited was planned all along but we were not able to comment on it,
beleive me I hated the answers I had to give everyone.  I am still quite
limited in what I can say, basically I can only confirm what the articles that
leaked stated.  This is lantatic/ai unlimited and will include everything that
lantastic/ai single user does.  I understand that there will be one disk
installation.  There is a quite liberal conversion policy for those who bought
single node because unlimited was not available( and will not be until 4.0 is
released).

Rick Roth

#: 1555 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  21:48:38
Sb: #1475-Remote acesss
Fm: Bill Mussatto 76347,3217
To: Roger E Montague 73730,520

RE: Compaq

       Nice if you don't mine drives that fail (2 ea) and powersupplies which
cause the machine to reset (i.e., cold boot).  Luckily I bought from Sears
which had enough clout to make them fix the power supply.  It was out of
warrantee by the time it failed in public.  Oh, BTW, later found out they knew
about the bad batch of power supplies, but stalled by blaming it on 3rd party
add ins.

       Now I'm using a nice, inexpensive clone from Iverson.  They are the
only mail order house would would give me on site service in this county
(Florida Panhandle).

Bill.

P.S. Why is "IBM compatible" gaining market share vs. Apple.  Clones keep the
cost reasonable.  WRM

#: 1528 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:38:35
Sb: #1498-Lantastic & 5250
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Jonathan Spangler 71560,322

Jonathan

As installed lanbios2 uses 2k redir uses 12k and server user 30k, all of this
can be loaded high using the optional ram daughterboard or a memory manager
like qemm or 386TTM.

Rick Roth

#: 1524 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:37:46
Sb: #1485-#Notebook plug for 2MB?
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027 (X)

Stuart

No I cannot.

Rick Roth

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#: 1531 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  17:13:54
Sb: #1524-Notebook plug for 2MB?
Fm: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks for the "non-denial"

=Stuart=




#: 1516 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:36:40
Sb: #1486-One way lockup problems
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027 (X)

Stuart

Lancheck uses datagrams a very low level method of communication, Lancheck
will show a connection and low or no error count even if full communication
cannot be established.

If you run anything, mechanical or electronic at max or above max load, it
will normally run great for a while,  the cards were not designed to run at
the impedence etc of flat cable.

Other things to do swap cards and see if problem follows card or stays with
computer, swap computers and see if problem stays with computer or location.
Check for sources of EMF along cable path, heaters copy machines, flourescent
light fixtures, arc welders, etc.  Check resistance of terminators.

Rick Roth

#: 1517 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:36:46
Sb: #1472-NCache-F
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Geoff Bannoff 72271,1203 (X)

Geoff

Make sure that write caching is disabled with Norton NCache-f.

Rick Roth

#: 1520 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:37:13
Sb: #1477-Lantasti.net
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Sam Teague 72657,2741

Sam

Make sure that the user does NOT have the A acl.  You do this in net_mgr -
user account management.

With paradox do you get the error on both the workstation and the server or
only on one computer?  You normally should have paradox installed on a network
drive not a local drive on the server, ie install it on e: which is redirected
to //server/c-drive rather than on c:  all the workstations should also run
the program off their e drive.

Rick Roth

#: 1521 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:37:20
Sb: #1478-#386^Max
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Mark Dahmke 70120,135 (X)

Mark

You should get the newest version of 386 TTM they have to put special
exceptions to correectly load lantastic with their Maximize program.
Unfortunately the size is different for each version.

Rick Roth

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#: 1550 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  19:42:21
Sb: #1521-386^Max
Fm: Mark Dahmke 70120,135
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks.


#: 1525 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:38:03
Sb: #1491-#Compaq DOS 3.31
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Matthew London 72600,2555 (X)

Matthew

The Certified Training Program will be announced at Comdex, I cannot release
any information until then.

The problem with DOS 3.3 and share is not just Compaq dos but all versions.
This problem will only bite you if you are running NOS 3.02.  Simply the
problem is a a bug is share, before share 3.3 the only way to flush a buffer
was to duplicate the file handle and then close the dulicate, with dos 3.3
they added a command to flush the buffer directly without all the strain of
the older version, they were supposed to retain compatability by allowing you
to do it either way.  Since we have to be compatable with dos 3.1 up we chose
to flush the buffers in the old manner.  In dos 3.3 when you do this it also
releases the record lock, this can lead to two people in the same record and
file coruption.  The solution is to use MS DOS 4.01 (we have reports that IBM
DOS 4.01 has the same bug) or upgrade to NOS 3.03.

Rick Roth

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#: 1563 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  23:57:56
Sb: #1525-Compaq DOS 3.31
Fm: Gary Saake 72361,1503
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Matthew:

My guess is it has a lot more to do with Lancache than with DOS 3.31 or
Lantastic in general. We have at least 6 machines using 3.31 without any
problems. (and, of course, without Lancache).

- Gary.

#: 1567 S2/Artisoft
    09-May-91  02:33:14
Sb: #1525-Compaq DOS 3.31
Fm: Matthew London 72600,2555
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Thanks for the Training Program. I wont be at spring Comdex, so is there some
way I can get put on a list to find out about it as soon as possible  ?

As for the share problem, I have been running NOS 3.03 so I wonder where my
corrupted files were coming from. I've since put DOS 4.01 on the server, and
changed the cache as I mentioned. Any comments about the cache ??? Hopefully
this will take care of this particular set of problems.......

Matthew

#: 1527 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  13:38:27
Sb: #1497-#E-net cable lengths
Fm: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377
To: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235 (X)

Normam

The Max distance terminator to terminator on a network using cheapernet cable
is 180 meters or 607 feet. This is the IEEE802.3 sepecification.  If you
change the jumpers of the card so they nolonger meet the IEEE 802.3
specification you can go 300 meters terminator to terminator.  If you choose
to do this ALL cards have to be changed and you will not be able to use any
IEEE compliant hubs etc.  Again this distance is a segment length, a segment
is terminator to terminator or hub to terminator.

The segment lengths for 2mbps are: 1500' using Artisoft twisted pair, 1000'
using Belden 9729 or 89729, and 300' using ATT solid conductor twisted pair(
not flat cable).

Both networks have a 32 node/segment limitation, and both can use a hub to
increase the length or the total number of nodes/network.

Rick Roth

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#: 1530 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  14:23:57
Sb: #1527-E-net cable lengths
Fm: Norman Rosenblatt 76276,3235
To: Rick Roth [Artisoft] 75300,1377

Rick-

Many thanx for your quick and informative reply.

Bye, Norman

#: 1508 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  12:05:17
Sb: #Modem/FAX for LAN?
Fm: Philip Hershey 70655,202
To: All

Does anyone have a modem/fax board that they like for use on a Lantastic
network. I need to find one that will be usable by all the client PCs across
the LAN.

My thanks in advance.

Phil



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#: 1562 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  23:52:16
Sb: #1508-Modem/FAX for LAN?
Fm: Stuart F. Karden 72261,3027
To: Philip Hershey 70655,202

I just got PcAnywhere IV/Lan.  I am running Lantastic 2 MBS adapters (albeit
with recent problems per my other messages).  I have an Intel Connection
Co-Processor Fax card (Intel has since replaced it with the satisFaxtion card)
and a seperate modem in one machine. I can load the PcAnywhere Gateway (Modem)
and Host on that machine (the "server") and go back to work (though not
practical since the fax traffic takes over my machine). Someone else on the
Lan can use the modem, while a 3rd person can take over the "server" at the
same time and run Connect, Intel's software side of the fax card.

All in all, truly amazing.

=Stuart=




#: 1543 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  18:24:06
Sb: Server memory usage
Fm: Jennifer Dixey 71250,1750
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

Hello Rick! I've altered our server and workstations so that the stations have
partitions under 32MB, and the server is loading SHARE in config.sys. Now I
have another question. QEMM Manifest reported that there were some things we
could change to give the server more conventional memory. They are: (1) Add
the line STACKS=0,0 to config.sys to keep DOS from allocating hardware stacks;
(2) Change our /e environment variable in the shell line in config.sys to a
lower number (currently 800); and (3) add the /X switch to the BUFFERS line
(loads buffers into expanded memory?). Do any of these ideas contradict
Artisoft's memory usage or requirements? Is loading the BUFFERS into expanded
memory as bad as using LOADHI to load them into high memory? I'd appreciate
any suggestions you can provide. Thanks again!

Jenny Dixey

#: 1544 S2/Artisoft
    08-May-91  18:36:06
Sb: various questions
Fm: Russ McRory 76427,2262
To:  75300,1377

Hello.  Im using Lantastic NOS 3.0.  There are 3 computers (2 servers 1
workstation).  It worked perfectly until I relpaced all the computers and had
to reinstall.  I can only get 2 logins at a time on the servers (the server
itself and one other computer).  Ive increased the number of users from
Net_mgr, checked the # of concurrant logins and increased the redir logins=.
Nothing works.  When the 3rd computer rties to login to a server it says "too
many logins or redirections."  I has this problem  whn I origianally set up
the network and a call to tech support solved it.  I thought the solution was
the increase in users from teh net-ngr but like i said that didnt help.  CAn
you help.  Also, I installed a lantastic in am associate's office (works fine)
but the NOS version is 3.03.  Is it worth upgrading my NOS to 3.03 or should I
stick w/ 3.00? Thanks.  Also, if I want to cache a workstation hard drive, I
assume I can use any cache, not necessarily the lancache (which I use on the
server).  Where should I place the cache in the workstation batch file.
Thanks
                                                Russ.

#: 1566 S2/Artisoft
    09-May-91  01:50:15
Sb: Windows 3.0
Fm: Wandal Winn 71261,3464
To: [F] Artisoft Support 75300,1377

From browsing the Artisoft BBS and the messages on this board I understand
that Lantastic (2kbps) will support Std mode on the server and Enhanced mode
on the workstation.  Is there a text file some place that summarizes the use
of Lantastic with Windows 3.0?  It would be nice to have all the advice,
sample config files, etc all in one place.  Thanks in advance for any help you
can give me.

Wandal Winn
PRN Systems
Anchorage, Alaska